RMT + Cash Shop = Not as bad as one might believe?

[Hiruke]

Honestly, I'm not really sure why people are flipping out about people being able to sell promise wristlets for gil. If anything, the people who didn't want to pay actual money should be excited by the opportunity to just pay for it with gil, right?

Personally, I don't think $40 or whatever is even close to worth it, but a few million gil? You might have something there.

Would the world really be so awful if EVERYTHING in the cash shop was able to be sold for gil? I mean, the reality is that RMT already exists. People are already out there buying gil. I think that's stupid, but that doesn't mean people aren't going for it. Is the game hideously broken now? Because the same people who buy gil now would be the same people subsidizing all your cash shop purchases. Probably more people would do it, but uh, so?

Unless you're looking for world firsts, you don't have any strong NEED for much of anything you buy with gil (and if you're elite enough for that and doing stuff like getting full materia'd i110 crafted as soon as it comes out, and actually going for it, you're such a ridiculously small percentage as to not even be worth discussing in terms of broad demographics), so the economy isn't really a deal breaker. If it was, this game would be pretty awful already, RMT or not. Because the way the economy is set up is pretty awful.

Making all cash shop purchases sellable would be pretty much an unadulterated win for SE, as cash shop purchases would undoubtedly increase.

If you've got some compelling arguments on why RMT would actually be really bad in this case, and I mean beyond "omg it's bad", that'd certainly be pretty interesting. Certainly, if you're anti-Cash Shop RMT but pro-Cash Shop, I'd be really perplexed.

If anything, everything being sellable for gil would make me hate the Cash Shop less because then anything I did want, I could just pay some gil for. As opposed to them someday putting an outfit or hairstyle on there I really want and me quitting because I'm not giving them real money for it. We're already skating super close to that with putting dyes up there for a hilarious $1 apiece. Thanks, SE! You found a way to annoy me even more than with the other dyes you can only get via TOTALLY RANDOM retainer ventures and that CAN'T BE TRADED WOOO!

[Verlyn]

Thank you for posting this.

[MomomiMomi]

Honestly, I'm not really sure why people are flipping out about people being able to sell promise wristlets for gil. If anything, the people who didn't want to pay actual money should be excited by the opportunity to just pay for it with gil, right?

I was, and did. I'd really rather we not have a cash shop, but since we do, and it's not going anywhere, I'd much prefer that all items in it can be sold to other players.

[ShinigamiZero]

When you got someone that's in your coil group who shouldn't be there because he sold all those items for gil and bought all his wins... then ends up in your group and holds you back.. lets see what you have to think after that.

[Verlyn]

When you got someone that's in your coil group who shouldn't be there because he sold all those items for gil and bought all his wins... then ends up in your group and holds you back.. lets see what you have to think after that.

Make a static if you're serious about progression.

[coldreactive]

You know, they could always sell Allagan Gold Pieces in the cash shop :P After all, GTAV Allows you to purchase money directly via real money. GW2 does it indirectly with gem marketplace.

Or you know, they could do what EVE does with PLEX, as well as WildStar with C.R.E.D.D. (FFXIV is still better quality, and since it's a PVE Game, these things would make the game have more community.) if they need a name for an item, they can call it an Astral Aetheryte with the description "Blessed by the divines in the first astral era... this wondrous and proud aetheryte once stood tall, directing souls of all kind from the beyond into the world as new life. No one knows where it came from, it pre-dates all manufactured and allagan aetherytes, and is textured like the sea of stars. Some say, Hydaelyn herself came from this divine object." You could have a quest that unlocks the ability to use this system though (IE: Level 30) to make sure people who actually will want to play the game can use it and so that free trial people cannot use it among other things. Can also be used as a housing item.

[ShinigamiZero]

Make a static if you're serious about progression.

Not everyone has that option. Not as easy as you describe it to get 8 people together at a specific time in the day. Even if you make a static you can still end up with someone who doesn't have a base in skills because he/she bought all their wins. So you get them and have to replace them..you get another and same thing happens again. Unlikely you say but still possible.

[Verlyn]

Not everyone has that option. Not as easy as you describe it to get 8 people together at a specific time in the day. Even if you make a static you can still end up with someone who doesn't have a base in skills because he/she bought all their wins. So you get them and have to replace them..you get another and same thing happens again. Unlikely you say but still possible.

These are just excuses. If you're serious about progression, you'll make the time. Otherwise, your choice in who you run with is going to be limited. You'll have to deal with people who bought their wins with or without the advent of this wristlet.

[Verlyn]

You know, they could always sell Allagan Gold Pieces in the cash shop :P After all, GTAV Allows you to purchase money directly via real money. GW2 does it indirectly with gem marketplace.

Or you know, they could do what EVE does with PLEX, as well as WildStar with C.R.E.D.D. (FFXIV is still better quality, and since it's a PVE Game, these things would make the game have more community.)

After what happened when one item was salable in game, a change to this sort of dynamic would have to be slow.
Needless to say, I'd probably avoid the forum for a few months because I'm not interested in reading all the whining anymore.

[Shougun]

Boils down to some people wanting a value so they dislike the cash shop, and then when a way to make in game progress from out of game finances happens and say "I don't want my out of game circumstances* to dictate the speed at which I can make in game progress" other people respond with "lol don't care, invalid wrong opinion, cause I don't care". *Whether that be willingness and values, or ability.

Tell me why this bothers you so I can tell you I didn't really want to know about it. Also for a reason why being able to directly play the in game economy outside of game with money can be awful, just check out D3's AH before they closed it. D3 was obviously farther down the rabbit hole but it really affected players perspective on achievement, and its purpose ended up being its own point of death.

I suppose it is like cheat codes in a multiplayer game, and that you won't be able to always clearly know if they're using them or not - so screw it everyone cheats that is winning. "But buying gil with real money is not cheating when SE allows it" - like the p2w discussion that depends on perspective, I don't think being able to buy your power in a game is ok. Even if it allows players who want to buy the item with gil that is normally on a cash shop.