FFXIV - A Step to P2W (My 2.45 Feedback)

[Evenstar]

That they need Alexandrite does not change the fact they do not have to put time into Spiritbonding or farming gil for materia ..... They are simply getting an advantage because they are getting an easy way to obtain gil in-game. Yes gil is easy to get for everyone, but unless you can show me to get 10 million in just 5 minutes all your points are INVALID.

Stop being a white knight please ...

Edit: Sorry, got annoyed.

[tocsin]

That they need Alexandrite does not change the fact they do not have to put time into Spiritbonding or farming gil for materia ..... They are simply getting an advantage because they are getting an easy way to obtain gil in-game. Yes gil is easy to get for everyone, but unless you can show me to get 10 million in just 5 minutes all your points are INVALID.

Jezus christ you are a blind white kinght Adam Fyi.

wow, resorting to name calling to try to force a point that is arguable? a bit low.

unless you can show me how 10 mil gil can instantly make you "win the game", without any skill or work whatsoever, your point is also invalid.

"win the game" defined as: completed final coil w/ a full set of i135 BiS gear, 8 fully 4 star BiS crafters and gatherers w/ all mastercraft books and related achievements, or all achievements unlocked.

unless one of these are achieved, you arent paying to win. you may be paying for progress, but its going to take a lot more than that to do anything notable.

[Evenstar]

I edited my post, I am sorry for that.

P2W is not only clearing FCoB. P2W is simply a term used to state getting an unfair advantage without actually playing the game, but by paying real money. If we use your wording then it would also not be P2W to be able to pay for ilvl 120 gear. Since well, even if you have ilvl120 gear you still have to go into FCoB and clear it, right? Do I get that right?

Can you just answer this please: Are people able to get an ADVANTAGE (one way or another) by selling bracelets in-game? If your answer is yes, then it is P2W. If your answer is no, then there is no use to keep discussing since we are on completely different worlds.

[tocsin]

I edited my post, I am sorry for that.

P2W is not only clearing FCoB. P2W is simply a term used to state getting an unfair advantage without actually playing the game, but by paying real money. If we use your wording then it would also not be P2W to be able to pay for ilvl 120 gear. Since well, even if you have ilvl120 gear you still have to go into FCoB and clear it, right? Do I get that right?

Can you just answer this please: Are people able to get an ADVANTAGE (one way or another) by selling bracelets in-game? If your answer is yes, then it is P2W. If your answer is no, then there is no use to keep discussing since we are on completely different worlds.

We pay a subscription to SE for the advantage of being able to play the game in the first place.

To answer that, yes, there is a way to gain an advantage in-game by selling bracelets. buying i120 gear in game isnt one of them, if ever it is a disadvantage because people will see that gear, assume that experience is behind it, and go try to tackle more than the player behind the 120 gear can handle.

if someone uses the money to buy all the crafter bis equipment, he is also at a disadvantage, because he hasnt worked out exactly why macros work the way they do, and how or when to modify them to fit certain situations. this makes him a weaker crafter, and results in more nq items than an equally geared skilled one.

The way I can see someone gaining an advantage via selling bracelets for money is by investing that money into making more profit on the mb. you can gain a fair amount of buying power for mats and such for 10 mil, which can be manipulated into enough gil to win with. this takes skill, though, and if someone has enough gil to do this, they most likely did it already without resorting to p2w tactics.

[Taliph]

wow, resorting to name calling to try to force a point that is arguable? a bit low.

unless you can show me how 10 mil gil can instantly make you "win the game", without any skill or work whatsoever, your point is also invalid.

"win the game" defined as: completed final coil w/ a full set of i135 BiS gear, 8 fully 4 star BiS crafters and gatherers w/ all mastercraft books and related achievements, or all achievements unlocked.

unless one of these are achieved, you arent paying to win. you may be paying for progress, but its going to take a lot more than that to do anything notable.

So, to win I have to have gear that doesn't exist? ilvl135 is only the weapon slot.

So, to win I have to have 8/11 doh/dol capped? You aren't making any sense here.

So, being able to level a craft from 1-50 with indirect RMT without ever crafting anything isn't P2W? I thought exp pots were considered P2W.

I'd keep going, but you won't listen.

[Evenstar]

So, to win I have to have gear that doesn't exist? ilvl135 is only the weapon slot.

So, to win I have to have 8/11 doh/dol capped? You aren't making any sense here.

So, being able to level a craft from 1-50 with indirect RMT without ever crafting anything isn't P2W? I thought exp pots were considered P2W.

I'd keep going, but you won't listen.

No they won't and then they will say we are not choosing our words carefully.

Like I said, I am a raider and I am in favor of a cash shop but this has to change. This simply is P2W.

[Kuolema]

No they won't and then they will say we are not choosing our words carefully.

Like I said, I am a raider and I am in favor of a cash shop but this has to change. This simply is P2W.

The thing is what are you really winning? It is a video game not real life. If people can't make that distinction then I feel sorry for them.

[tocsin]

So, to win I have to have gear that doesn't exist? ilvl135 is only the weapon slot.

So, to win I have to have 8/11 doh/dol capped? You aren't making any sense here.

So, being able to level a craft from 1-50 with indirect RMT without ever crafting anything isn't P2W? I thought exp pots were considered P2W.

I'd keep going, but you won't listen.

LOL, shows how much I know about endgame battle gear. I cant even clear hard mode or expert dungeons, let alone turns.

but it makes my point, that unless they are achieving something that would actually require difficulty for a person to acheive without said gil, it really isnt winning, its just substituting time/RL money for progress.

While helping other people to progress, in the meantime, by spending that gil funding the crafters of the server.

I'm trying to listen, and im faintly getting your point, I just grew up in EVE online, so this isnt anything new, and I see where this goes.

[AdamFyi]

Jezus christ you are a blind white kinght Adam Fyi.

Personal attacks are pretty low and pretty much means that you are attempting to flamebait. So, I'll play the same game, albiet to a lesser extent and without the player shaming. Show me that it is impossible to get a relic weapon without having to pay a single real-world dollar, otherwise your points are also invalid. And just so you know, if you sell every single elemental shard, crystal and cluster that you have collected over the course of playing, you can basically possibly obtain that 10 million Gil (and maybe even over that amount) in 5 seconds flat if people buy them immediately. Seriously, there is no need to call out other players. That is rude. Forcing your opinion onto others is also rude.

[XgungraveX]

That they need Alexandrite does not change the fact they do not have to put time into Spiritbonding or farming gil for materia ..... They are simply getting an advantage because they are getting an easy way to obtain gil in-game. Yes gil is easy to get for everyone, but unless you can show me to get 10 million in just 5 minutes all your points are INVALID.

Stop being a white knight please ...

Edit: Sorry, got annoyed.

i never Spiritbonded in that phase, i just flatout brought the stuff that i need with gil from selling striking dummys on the AH for 250k a pop...