FFXIV - A Step to P2W (My 2.45 Feedback)

[Evenstar]

How is that involved in our discussion?

Do not get me wrong. I am not against the cash shop, I am against P2W. No matter how you look at this this is simply P2W. Square Enix absolutely did not intend this to happen, but they should have seen it coming. It should be fixed as soon as possible before more people abuse it.

Another example is people still the materia melding part for their relic.

Player A: Spiritbonded a lot, farmed a lot of gil, paid millions of hard earned gil to get the relic quest done.
Player B: Buys a bracelet, sells it for X million, runs to the market boards, buys all the materia he needs, done.

I fail to understand how you guys fail to see how this can be game breaking.

Seriously, I am a raider, (currently on T12) and I am not against the cash shop, but that does not mean I have to be blind and a white knight.

[Adrian74]

I'll add that comment to the main post, the more examples we have the more people mayhaps understand it, thanks for commenting.


Indeed, how many hours could it take you to spiritbond all the required materia yourself?.... How many ....hours? could it take you to buy a wristle in cash shop?

[AdamFyi]

Player A: Spiritbonded a lot, farmed a lot of gil, paid millions of hard earned gil to get the relic quest done.
Player B: Buys a bracelet, sells it for X million, runs to the market boards, buys all the materia he needs, done.

Alexandrite. A Novus isn't completed just by buying the materia, y'know. Nor are the other steps of making a relic. You can't buy the Atma Books, you can't buy Alexandrites, you can't buy lights, and you can't buy dungeon drops using gil. SE made the quest very time consuming and tedious while making sure that you can't buy your way through all of it. I think they did a good job with the relic quests.

Indeed, how many hours could it take you to spiritbond all the required materia yourself?.... How many ....hours? could it take you to buy a wristle in cash shop?

The relic quests, as I've mentioned, were created as a huge time-sink. At most, if you were going about it casually, you would be looking at spiritbinding one set of acessories per day and gaining one or two Alexandrites a day. One set of Acessories can net you 5 materia depending if you did your research to figure out which ones would give you the best chances of getting the materia you want. Add to that spiritbinding potions and possibly a free company buff, you're looking at a potential 30 minutes for 5 materia. And if they didn't want to spiritbind, they could just buy one materia a day from the Market Board.

I will accept the fact that you can consider being able to buy the crafted gear for no effort "pay-to-win" to some extent as valid. However, that is all. The players are not idiots. If the person selling them has no interest in crafting nor gathering, they would directly buy their gear from the Market Board. This is why I say that the efforts of the 3* crafters are not wasted as their intentions were to make profits. Why bother levelling your crafters and gatherer classes and have to potentially lose out more on Gil because of the investment when you can just buy it directly off the Market Board?

To put it simply, relics are not a valid example in the case of pay-to-win because it was designed to not be able to be powered through using gil.

[Jandor]

Cash shop supporters don't get to decide that maybe coil end game isn't the whole game just now. Vanity is a big portion of the game for me and for a lot of other people and it's apparently fine to sell that. But now that people can use real cash to get crafted gear or houses or skip some relic grind or buy carries, it's suddenly pay to win?!

Oh well, Haha!

[Evenstar]

That they need Alexandrite does not change the fact they do not have to put time into Spiritbonding or farming gil for materia ..... They are simply getting an advantage because they are getting an easy way to obtain gil in-game. Yes gil is easy to get for everyone, but unless you can show me to get 10 million in just 5 minutes all your points are INVALID.

Stop being a white knight please ...

Edit: Sorry, got annoyed.

[Venos]

Sooo... now people aren't caring or agreeing with you, you start calling names? Really? Smh.

[tocsin]

That they need Alexandrite does not change the fact they do not have to put time into Spiritbonding or farming gil for materia ..... They are simply getting an advantage because they are getting an easy way to obtain gil in-game. Yes gil is easy to get for everyone, but unless you can show me to get 10 million in just 5 minutes all your points are INVALID.

Jezus christ you are a blind white kinght Adam Fyi.

wow, resorting to name calling to try to force a point that is arguable? a bit low.

unless you can show me how 10 mil gil can instantly make you "win the game", without any skill or work whatsoever, your point is also invalid.

"win the game" defined as: completed final coil w/ a full set of i135 BiS gear, 8 fully 4 star BiS crafters and gatherers w/ all mastercraft books and related achievements, or all achievements unlocked.

unless one of these are achieved, you arent paying to win. you may be paying for progress, but its going to take a lot more than that to do anything notable.

[AdamFyi]

Jezus christ you are a blind white kinght Adam Fyi.

Personal attacks are pretty low and pretty much means that you are attempting to flamebait. So, I'll play the same game, albiet to a lesser extent and without the player shaming. Show me that it is impossible to get a relic weapon without having to pay a single real-world dollar, otherwise your points are also invalid. And just so you know, if you sell every single elemental shard, crystal and cluster that you have collected over the course of playing, you can basically possibly obtain that 10 million Gil (and maybe even over that amount) in 5 seconds flat if people buy them immediately. Seriously, there is no need to call out other players. That is rude. Forcing your opinion onto others is also rude.

[Evenstar]

I edited my post, I am sorry for that.

P2W is not only clearing FCoB. P2W is simply a term used to state getting an unfair advantage without actually playing the game, but by paying real money. If we use your wording then it would also not be P2W to be able to pay for ilvl 120 gear. Since well, even if you have ilvl120 gear you still have to go into FCoB and clear it, right? Do I get that right?

Can you just answer this please: Are people able to get an ADVANTAGE (one way or another) by selling bracelets in-game? If your answer is yes, then it is P2W. If your answer is no, then there is no use to keep discussing since we are on completely different worlds.

[XgungraveX]

That they need Alexandrite does not change the fact they do not have to put time into Spiritbonding or farming gil for materia ..... They are simply getting an advantage because they are getting an easy way to obtain gil in-game. Yes gil is easy to get for everyone, but unless you can show me to get 10 million in just 5 minutes all your points are INVALID.

Stop being a white knight please ...

Edit: Sorry, got annoyed.

i never Spiritbonded in that phase, i just flatout brought the stuff that i need with gil from selling striking dummys on the AH for 250k a pop...