Real Money to Get In-Game Currency: Eternal Bond Edition

[Krr]

Again, no gil is being generated by this. RMT is bad because bots are generating inhuman amounts of gil and introducing it into the economy by selling it to people through shady services that harvest their accounts.

The majority of RMT botting in FFXIV is accomplished through covert marketboard use, though, because generating raw gil in FFXIV is inhumanly inefficient and time consuming even for them.

[Verlyn]

The majority of RMT botting in FFXIV is accomplished through covert marketboard use, though, because generating raw gil in FFXIV is inhumanly inefficient and time consuming even for them.

And? What does cherry picking this detail change? If you're saying that RMTraders are generating no gil at all, then you're wrong.

[Krr]

And? What does cherry picking this detail change?

Yes, I'm sorry. Saying 10% of RMT gil throughput is green gil as opposed to 100% is cherry picking and not a massive difference at all. A difference of up to 90%? Statistically insignificant.

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SE has always had a stance that people cannot profit via the use of real money.

There shouldn't be a sub fee then, because I make millions per day by paying about $15 a month to play the game. Buying the bracelet for real money and then selling said bracelet in game for in game gil isn't RMT because of that middle step that people always forget about. It's kind of important.

The majority of RMT botting in FFXIV is accomplished through covert marketboard use, though, because generating raw gil in FFXIV is inhumanly inefficient and time consuming even for them.

Which is genius really. It's basically an endless cycle of selling players gil back to them at the end of the day.

[Ophie-Mio]

There shouldn't be a sub fee then, because I make millions per day by paying about $15 a month to play the game. Buying the bracelet for real money and then selling said bracelet in game for in game gil isn't RMT because of that middle step that people always forget about. It's kind of important.

What a way to twist the entire meaning. Go you. The sub fee has nothing to do with us as players in the context of the current debate in this thread.

[MomomiMomi]

Buying the bracelet for real money and then selling said bracelet in game for in game gil isn't RMT because of that middle step that people always forget about. It's kind of important.

Cash shop alone is by definition RMT. You spend real money, you get in-game item.

RMT is defined as the selling and buying of virtual assets for real-world money. Virtual assets can include, but is not limited to:
•Accounts
•Characters
•In-game Currency (Gil)
•In-game Service
•In-game item

[NyarukoW]

Cash shop alone is by definition RMT. You spend real money, you get in-game item.

This is some screwed up definition of RMT. Spending money can getting stuff in game is what you do all the time with the subscription.

Let's look at Square Enix's definition (the only one that matters): "RMT is defined as the selling and buying of virtual assets for real-world money."

Now let's look at a party finder entry: "WTS Promise of Devotion (Platinum) for 3m." Now let's simplify it to make it simple: "WTS $20 for 3m."

When players can not get $20 they are not able to complete part where "selling and buying of virtual assets for real-world money." is needed to make it RMT. The simplification is logical error. You can not possibly sell the band for $20. And you have to a gil seller to sell the gil for $20 to make it RMT.

The cash shop is simply not RMT. Selling items from the cash shop for gil is NOT RMT either.

[chrillix]

Selling items from the cash shop for gil is NOT RMT either.

If you can not wrap your head around the fact your above situation is basically buying gil for $20, then there is no point continuing this conversation with you.
Buying gil for $20 IS RMT, and that is basically what this patch has allowed.

[NyarukoW]

Buying gil for $20 IS RMT, and that is basically what this patch has allowed.

If you bought gil from a gil seller and the gil seller get the $20, then it is RMT, which is clearly a violation. But if the other player is not a gil seller because they can NOT get the $20, then no, it is NOT RMT. People keep forgetting that you need to transfer the real money to a real player to make it RMT.

Even if the cash shop sold in-game gil for $20, it is still not RMT, because the other player is not getting the $20. Please get this simple fact thru your thick heads. The simple fact that it is $20 donation to SE makes it NOT RMT.

[MomomiMomi]

Even if the cash shop sold in-game gil for $20, it is still not RMT, because the other player is not getting the $20. Please get this simple fact thru your thick heads. The simple fact that it is $20 donation to SE makes it NOT RMT.

No. What you're describing is illegal RMT. However, both are RMT.