Real Money to Get In-Game Currency: Eternal Bond Edition

[ReplicaX]

And that would be you. Go re-read Bayohne's post. The problem is that these threads keep popping up about it, not that it's going on. They're only stepping in at all because it's causing more of a fuss than they want to deal with.

I stated this for a reason.

1.0 Garuda Exploit Statement all over again. They are still going to sell them.

Same thing happened with Garuda in 1.0 and her Exploit before it was patched. Players were afraid of bans until Yoshi said basically the same words as Bayohne now says. Which only encouraged ppl to do it as no actions against players were being enforced.

[ArkNova]

1.0 Garuda Exploit Statement all over again. They are still going to sell them.

As soon as I read Bayohne's post it took less then .5 of a second with lag to recall this same logic was in place for Garuda 1.0 then scrolled down and saw your comment and "liked" it but felt this statement really needed to be posted again. Now if only the other Excalibur member that has the picture of the blm's lolololol'n their way to Garuda would post that picture.

[Adrian74]

As you know, the promise wristlets were designed to be tradable so that one person would be able to purchase a pair of wristlets and gift one to their partner.

While the trading and selling of these items for gil is not against the terms of service, in the event this type of trend continues and topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading, we will have no choice but to change the design of this system. Therefore we would like players to stop selling and trading the bracelets for gil so that they can continue to be used for their intended purpose.

Thanks for giving us a fast and positive reply. I'll try my best for give you the unique way I thought to deal with this trouble, hope it will be helpy:

- As it is right now, one player can reveive, via mogstation that item... Instead of making it tradeable, allow an input() field for the player to choose the name of the character he wants to gift these wristlets and a prompt to confirm the character name, and also the option to check the database and send an error message such as "The character name you entered doesn't exist in that world, please be sure of check world and character name again". (If one character is able to receive items through website, why wouldn't any other be able to if we manually add it with a writing field?)

This way, item can not be tradeable in game, but can be sent via mogstation to anyone for receive it... In other words, you can decide to gift anyone with it by putting that character's name on mogstation, it is a presents system...

"But, hey, will that really stop people from selling it?"

Yes, while not entirely, it will stop 90% of they doing it. Why? A reason of trust. People won't rarely pay for it without seeing the item first in their inventory, and of course people wanting to sell it for gil would rarely buy it with real money before receiving the gil... So who will give the first part of the trade first? Mostly noone, because lack of trust... How it is right now you can simple offer it in a trade in-game, player puts gil, you put item, both accept, and it is 100% guaranteed both will receive the items... While the way I mentioned via mogstation... You can't really be sure that the person in game would give you the gil after receiving the item, or, you can't be really sure that after giving your gil that person will send you the item, only by that, people would stop doing it, people does not tend to risk with those things.

I hope it is a fair and easy solution to deal with it and end with this little chaos originated in 2.45

--- About the metallic dyes ---

The another problem of the 2.45 patch and the EASIER to solve in my opinion, just make it so after you dye any of your gear with it it binds to your character, similar to when you glamour a piece of something. Let's say, you buy a spring skirt, you glamour some gear with it, then for prevent to resell and exploit it, that item is now bound to you. Same should go with the dyes (Or aditionally, and better fix, remove them from cash shop.)

--- More solutions to eternal bond trouble ---

Just came with this one, as it is right now, it is needed that two persons have the wristlet, but one person can buy two of those so then give one to another person... Why not... Instead.,... Allow the ceremony to be done if one person have the two wristlet and thus giving it later via quest to the other one?. This totally kills 100% the RMT with this and could be more easy to programate perhaps that dealing with the php queries and databases + website.


This deserves an emergency maintenance.

[hennalang]

Instead of making it tradeable, allow an input() field for the player to choose the name of the character he wants to gift these wristlets and a prompt to confirm the character name, and also the option to check the database and send an error message such as "The character name you entered doesn't exist in that world, please be sure of check world and character name again".

Or what about the Mogstation having access to your character's friendlist? More than likely the person you'd be bonding with would already be on there and it would avoid any misspelling issues. (Because you KNOW people will and get huffy over it.) You're able to see your own friendslist on the Lodestone, so maybe this is possible.

[StephieLynn]

As you know, the promise wristlets were designed to be tradable so that one person would be able to purchase a pair of wristlets and gift one to their partner.

While the trading and selling of these items for gil is not against the terms of service, in the event this type of trend continues and topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading, we will have no choice but to change the design of this system. Therefore we would like players to stop selling and trading the bracelets for gil so that they can continue to be used for their intended purpose.

Everyone would like people to stop selling them.. but lets be real.. that is not going to happen... The design is flawed. Easy fix: one person can still buy the package but it comes with 2 bracelets.. upon check out player provides the name of other and SE delivers the braclets to both people.

[Vejjiegirl]

As you know, the promise wristlets were designed to be tradable so that one person would be able to purchase a pair of wristlets and gift one to their partner.

While the trading and selling of these items for gil is not against the terms of service, in the event this type of trend continues and topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading, we will have no choice but to change the design of this system. Therefore we would like players to stop selling and trading the bracelets for gil so that they can continue to be used for their intended purpose.

You pretty much confirmed that they can't get banned for selling them since they are not against the ToS.

Now people are going to sell them even more, and faster to try and get every bit of gil they can until the design of the system is fixed.

[Ghishlain]

As you know, the promise wristlets were designed to be tradable so that one person would be able to purchase a pair of wristlets and gift one to their partner.

While the trading and selling of these items for gil is not against the terms of service, in the event this type of trend continues and topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading, we will have no choice but to change the design of this system. Therefore we would like players to stop selling and trading the bracelets for gil so that they can continue to be used for their intended purpose.

I was personally holding out on making too many comments about this until an official dev response hit the table. Originally I thought this might've been a cute experiment to see how well microtransactions for Gil would work in XIV and waited to see the response.

Now that it's clear the trading of these bracelets for Gil is frowned upon, I would recommend you turn off the sales of the bracelets immediately and wait until you have a system that actually WORKS AS INTENDED before re-opening the eternal bond ceremonies. If anything, keep the free option open until you rectify the premium options.

The longer you let the bracelets go on sale, the worse the situation will become.

[chrillix]

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It's posts like this that seriously make me shake my head. What kind of development process are you guys using over there where not ONE person says "Hey, the way we're implementing this could create some serious issues." Perhaps someone did, and was ignored for whatever ridiculous reason. You cannot seriously believe that asking players politely not to do something will have the desired effect.

[Verlyn]

It's posts like this that seriously make me shake my head. What kind of development process are you guys using over there where not ONE person says "Hey, the way we're implementing this could create some serious issues." Perhaps someone did, and was ignored for whatever ridiculous reason. You cannot seriously believe that asking players politely not to do something will have the desired effect.

What serious issues are being created? I'd like to hear this.

You people need to chill out. No gil is being generated here. All of it is simply changing hands. Supply -> Demand. Someone has something other people want to buy with gil, so they buy it. No "RMT" is happening here and it sounds like associating the term with this is causing the devs to misunderstand exactly what is happening.

If anything, you know what this really means? Something in the cash shop is attainable in-game for enough gil. How is that a bad thing? I thought you people wanted that.

I interpreted the dev response as "Well, we didn't expect people to start selling it. That's interesting. We need to look into whether this is good or bad before we act. If it IS bad, please stop propogating the problem until our fix."

[chrillix]

What serious issues are being created? I'd like to hear this.

Well it's at least some kind of issue if SE felt the need to make a dev post about it, asking people not to take part in selling the bracelets for gil. MY issue, as a crafter, is that instead of having to put in-game time towards making gil anybody can now drop a hundred dollars on bracelets and sell them for gil with no in-game effort required.

Also, gil changing hands for real money is a serious issue, and at this point Bracelets basically equal real money.