So what if people sell platinum and gold plans for gil?

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I'm all for players wanting to improve the game but talk about the stuff you know the developers might actually address. The cash shop isn't something SE will get rid of so if you absolutely hate it you're better off leaving since it'll be here to stay no matter how much you complain about it. Notice the lack of GM posts to these thread even with their abundance right now? Getting rid of the cash shop isn't something they'll address. However if you want class buffs, new cul furnishing, qol stuff, and maybe some new in game ideas then they'll actually talk about that and address it.

[Magis]

I'm all for players wanting to improve the game but talk about the stuff you know the developers might actually address. The cash shop isn't something SE will get rid of so if you absolutely hate it you're better off leaving since it'll be here to stay no matter how much you complain about it. Notice the lack of GM posts to these thread even with their abundance right now? Getting rid of the cash shop isn't something they'll address. However if you want class buffs, new cul furnishing, qol stuff, and maybe some new in game ideas then they'll actually talk about that and address it.

Maybe not getting rid of the cash shop, but stopping this kind of content they put on it. Just look up monocle gate for EVE to see what happened the last time a MMO tried screwing players over with a cash shop. Also when do GMs ever post about current hot issues? They didn't when atma was an issue, they didn't when housing was an issue, and they won't now. Their choice in what to reply about is random at best.

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Maybe not getting rid of the cash shop, but stopping this kind of content they put on it. Just look up monocle gate for EVE to see what happened the last time a MMO tried screwing players over with a cash shop. Also when do GMs ever post about current hot issues? They didn't when atma was an issue, they didn't when housing was an issue, and they won't now. Their choice in what to reply about is random at best.

I agree with you that SE has to be careful about how much they implement into the cash shop without going overboard. This patch they splurged on the cash shop but at least all the new stuff except wind up Urianger are not solely obtainable via the cash shop. We'll see how much they implement in future patches. I'm going to reserve judgment if they're taking it too far until I see what else they'll do with it. The seasonal gear can be excluded since you have to the opportunity to get this in game for free anyway as long you're playing during that time.

[Aegis]

However if you want class buffs, new cul furnishing, qol stuff, and maybe some new in game ideas then they'll actually talk about that and address it.

Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Cash shop is a deal breaker to a great many people, especially one with tradeable items. Refusing to look at removing it could be very painful to the company.

Time was, Yoshi-P wasn't afraid to make hard choices. He made the decision to close and rebuild FFXIV from the ground up, knowing the huge risk and investment required. Now asking to remove a feature that's a couple of months old is too much?

[Magis]

Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Cash shop is a deal breaker to a great many people, especially one with tradeable items. Refusing to look at removing it could be very painful to the company.
Time was, Yoshi-P wasn't afraid to make hard choices. He made the decision to close and rebuild FFXIV from the ground up, knowing the huge risk and investment required. Now asking to remove a feature that's a couple of months old is too much?

I really like that phrase... gonna keep that for later.

I honestly think this isn't Yoshi-P tbh. This sounds like someone from upper management going, "shit, we are actually making money of FFXIV? How can we milk these idiots for more!". Ironically, this is kinda what doomed FFXIV 1.0 to fail. First was upper management forcing Tanaka and Co. to use the unoptimized and buggy Crystal Engine (built for hallway simulators). Then was their decision to get away from a unique MMO (which Tanaka wanted) and just take the FFXI assets. Finally was the descision to release FFXIV before WoW: Cataclysm even though the game was unfinished, crashing, unoptimized, and full of bugs which was painfully easy to see from the alpha and beta tests.

Than again, Yoshi has this huge love for WoW so it could be him copying yet another feature of WoW. Guess could be a mix of both.

Shit comes in cycles it seems and the bigwigs at SE haven't learned their lesson.

[Aegis]

I really like that phrase... gonna keep that for later.

I honestly think this isn't Yoshi-P tbh. This sounds like someone from upper management going, "shit, we are actually making money of FFXIV? How can we milk these idiots for more!". Ironically, this is kinda what doomed FFXIV 1.0 to fail. First was upper management forcing Tanaka and Co. to use the unoptimized and buggy Crystal Engine (built for hallway simulators). Then was their decision to get away from a unique MMO (which Tanaka wanted) and just take the FFXI assets. Finally was the descision to release FFXIV before WoW: Cataclysm even though the game was unfinished, crashing, unoptimized, and full of bugs which was painfully easy to see from the alpha and beta tests.

Than again, Yoshi has this huge love for WoW so it could be him copying yet another feature of WoW. Guess could be a mix of both.

Shit comes in cycles it seems and the bigwigs at SE haven't learned their lesson.

I'm afraid I can't take credit: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rearra...on_the_Titanic

And yeah, for me Version 1 was a game of huge potential absolutely ruined by terrible execution and a release that was a year early at least. I wish they hadn't worried so much about Cataclysm, used a decent engine like we have now, but otherwise let all those creative ideas flow. It was very much in the style of the earlier MMOs.

This version is a game with huge polish and great production values that is content to follow well-worn tracks of the genre. There is nothing innovative here at all :s.