So what if people sell platinum and gold plans for gil?

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Already stated that the cash shop isn't around for RMT in particular. When I said every MMO is already pay to win thanks to RMT. I meant that you can use real money to buy in game currency using the third party RMT. Also pay to win is subjective since one persons idea of pay to win is different from someone else's. Also if you don't like how SE is using the cash shop you don't have to play it. Another thing is that EA and Activision aren't the only companies that utilize dlc or buying additional content. Here is a small list of companies that utilize dlc or additional content for their games: Capcom, Namco, Ubisoft, Sega, Bungi, Nintendo, Bioware, Atlas, I could keep going but I'm going to stop there. Notice the amount of Japanese companies I mentioned in that list? If you hate it that much just don't play, I don't really mind it and I like the game enough that it isn't a game breaker for me. You're probably better off finding F2P mmo to play since subscription based mmos are heading down the cash shop avenue.

[ChibiChan_Hyperion]

Idk if you r being sarcastic or w/e, but in all seriousness, gear does very VERY little in this game, if one cannot manage mechanics. When you make a pf you don't give a damn what other ppl are wearing, u want them to know their shit.

Focusing on the gear is missing the point entirely, though. Gil can be used for far more than just gear. In fact, it's absolutely irrelevant what the gil is even used for. The simple fact that gil can be used to confer such a large variety of advantages over other players, that had to spend in game time working for the gil, is the actual issue.

[Magis]

WoW does have a cash shop and it's a lot worse than what we have. In WoW you can buy instant level 90 and you could buy a pet that could be sold for gold.

Didn't say they didn't, I said they could afford to do something like that and survived any fallout from doing so because they had 13+mil players from just general good MMO design. Heck, WoW wasn't even unscathed from implementing that (well, and a butt load of bad decisions), seeing as their sub rate has plummeted over the last 4-5 years.

Already stated that the cash shop isn't around for RMT in particular. When I said every MMO is already pay to win thanks to RMT. I meant that you can use real money to buy in game currency using the third party RMT. Also pay to win is subjective since one persons idea of pay to win is different from someone else's. Also if you don't like how SE is using the cash shop you don't have to play it. Another thing is that EA and Activision aren't the only companies that utilize dlc or buying additional content. Here is a small list of companies that utilize dlc or additional content for their games: Capcom, Namco, Ubisoft, Sega, Bungi, Nintendo, Bioware, Atlas, I could keep going but I'm going to stop there. Notice the amount of Japanese companies I mentioned in that list?

So add them to the list, I was just giving examples.

If you hate it that much just don't play, I don't really mind it and I like the game enough that it isn't a game breaker for me. You're probably better off finding F2P mmo to play since subscription based mmos are heading down the cash shop avenue.

Well, at this point the only thing keeping me subbed is my FC so I may end up doing that. The game I joined in Beta V2 (and it seems before you joined) was way different than what I am playing now. I'd rather see this game succeed and live as long as FFXI or WoW did, but it seems that won't be the case. Too bad cause I love Final Fantasy, I love the lore, and I love the aesthetic. Just a note though, if you keep saying "just don't play", soon you will turn into 1.0 or other MMOs where there isn't anyone left to say that to. I am surprised that people would rather have players jump ship than improve the game.

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I'm all for players wanting to improve the game but talk about the stuff you know the developers might actually address. The cash shop isn't something SE will get rid of so if you absolutely hate it you're better off leaving since it'll be here to stay no matter how much you complain about it. Notice the lack of GM posts to these thread even with their abundance right now? Getting rid of the cash shop isn't something they'll address. However if you want class buffs, new cul furnishing, qol stuff, and maybe some new in game ideas then they'll actually talk about that and address it.

[Magis]

I'm all for players wanting to improve the game but talk about the stuff you know the developers might actually address. The cash shop isn't something SE will get rid of so if you absolutely hate it you're better off leaving since it'll be here to stay no matter how much you complain about it. Notice the lack of GM posts to these thread even with their abundance right now? Getting rid of the cash shop isn't something they'll address. However if you want class buffs, new cul furnishing, qol stuff, and maybe some new in game ideas then they'll actually talk about that and address it.

Maybe not getting rid of the cash shop, but stopping this kind of content they put on it. Just look up monocle gate for EVE to see what happened the last time a MMO tried screwing players over with a cash shop. Also when do GMs ever post about current hot issues? They didn't when atma was an issue, they didn't when housing was an issue, and they won't now. Their choice in what to reply about is random at best.

[Kaeda_Valentyne]

Just going to leave this here. Food for thought

WOW cash shop opens 2009 has a total of 25 items to buy, not including the service items.
11 pets
9 mounts
5 helms

FF14 cash shop opens 2014 has a total of 18 items to buy, not including the service items.
3 dyes
3 suits
4 helms
4 minions
1 mount
2 costumes
"1" event -technically 2 options but giving them the benefit of the doubt and counted it as 1.

WOW shop open roughly 5 years
FF14 shop open for a few months wait till x-mas it will have more stuff on it than the WOW shop in a huge fraction of the time.

[Shougun]

Didn't WoW CS open in 2013?....that like 8 years after game launch....by that time they already had tons of dedicated fans who had already spent thousand hours in the game.
This game is one year old. Almost every other P2P that started double-dipping players with a CS that fast, failed miserably at it and enraged its customers (SWTOR, Aion, Tera, Rift, etc)

Also, someone please correct me if wrong (only played a year or so when the shop was activated), but I thought blizzard had less items on the store and did not have any items that could be resold in the game. (Although same company, their D3 AH idea was a train wreck lol).

[Aegis]

However if you want class buffs, new cul furnishing, qol stuff, and maybe some new in game ideas then they'll actually talk about that and address it.

Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Cash shop is a deal breaker to a great many people, especially one with tradeable items. Refusing to look at removing it could be very painful to the company.

Time was, Yoshi-P wasn't afraid to make hard choices. He made the decision to close and rebuild FFXIV from the ground up, knowing the huge risk and investment required. Now asking to remove a feature that's a couple of months old is too much?

[Magis]

Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Cash shop is a deal breaker to a great many people, especially one with tradeable items. Refusing to look at removing it could be very painful to the company.
Time was, Yoshi-P wasn't afraid to make hard choices. He made the decision to close and rebuild FFXIV from the ground up, knowing the huge risk and investment required. Now asking to remove a feature that's a couple of months old is too much?

I really like that phrase... gonna keep that for later.

I honestly think this isn't Yoshi-P tbh. This sounds like someone from upper management going, "shit, we are actually making money of FFXIV? How can we milk these idiots for more!". Ironically, this is kinda what doomed FFXIV 1.0 to fail. First was upper management forcing Tanaka and Co. to use the unoptimized and buggy Crystal Engine (built for hallway simulators). Then was their decision to get away from a unique MMO (which Tanaka wanted) and just take the FFXI assets. Finally was the descision to release FFXIV before WoW: Cataclysm even though the game was unfinished, crashing, unoptimized, and full of bugs which was painfully easy to see from the alpha and beta tests.

Than again, Yoshi has this huge love for WoW so it could be him copying yet another feature of WoW. Guess could be a mix of both.

Shit comes in cycles it seems and the bigwigs at SE haven't learned their lesson.

[Thyranne]

Also, someone please correct me if wrong (only played a year or so when the shop was activated), but I thought blizzard had less items on the store and did not have any items that could be resold in the game. (Although same company, their D3 AH idea was a train wreck lol).

There was a pet (forgot its name) but they removed it recently.