FFXIV - A Step to P2W (My 2.45 Feedback)

[AdamFyi]

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If you read what I've said, I only proposed that they likely did not predict that players would sell them for gil.

Still, we haven't considered this topic from every angle. What we're discussing is the pay-to-win aspect of people selling these Bracelets. Do they benefit the people who sell and buy them? Yes, from what I can see, both benefit from this. Players have previously complained that they would prefer to buy this using gil instead of buying it because they can't or don't want to. Isn't this a good alternative? People who can't afford to buy it directly can pay for it with gil.

[Cristal]

If you read what I've said, I only proposed that they likely did not predict that players would sell them for gil. Still, you haven't considered this topic from every angle. What we're discussing is the pay-to-win aspect of people selling these Bracelets. Do they benefit the people who sell and buy them? Yes, from what I can see, both benefit from this. Players have previously complained that they would prefer to buy this using gil instead of buying it because they can't or don't want to. Isn't this a good alternative? People who can't afford to buy it directly can pay for it with gil.

And then it affects the whole server economy. With easy gils, players won't think before buying overpriced items and then, players that don't get easy gils will have to farm more to buy highly demanded items.
No it's not a good alternative.

(And no, you will never make me think they didn't see this. If an item is trade-able, it can be sold for gils. They can feign ignorance all they want but it's impossible to not predict this. Ever. period.)

[AdamFyi]

(And no, you will never make me think they didn't see this. If an item is trade-able, it can be sell for gils. They can feign ignorance all they want but it's impossible to not predict this. Ever. period.)

I'm not asking you to change your opinion. Please read what I said carefully. Just because they made it tradeable, doesn't mean that they intended to destroy the server economies. They may have intended it to be tradeable for gifting purposes. Who knows? We don't. And conjecture like what you are saying will get this topic locked and deleted. Furthermore, it isn't impossible to not predict this as well. Human error is still a possible suspect. You can't ignore the possibilities.

[Jandor]

The cash shop items won't sell if no one can afford them, buying cash shop items to sell for gil doesn't make more gil it only moves existing gil around.

[Cristal]

I'm not asking you to change your opinion. Please read what I said carefully. Just because they made it tradeable, doesn't mean that they intended to destroy the server economies. They may have intended it to be tradeable for gifting purposes. Who knows? We don't. And conjecture like what you are saying will get this topic locked and deleted. Furthermore, it isn't impossible to not predict this as well. Human error is still a possible suspect. You can't ignore the possibilities.

Yeah, they wanted to introduce a gift option (wedding proposal) but you can't release an item like that, trade-able with no control and say after "oops, sorry about that. We didn't intend to do that."

And it's not like a speedrun path, glitched ai or something like that. It's a really, really basic problem that everyone can see coming but you're right, "Human error is still a possible suspect".

[Fyce]

And then it affects the whole server economy. With easy gils, players won't think before buying overpriced items and then, players that don't get easy gils will have to farm more to buy highly demanded items.
No it's not a good alternative.

(And no, you will never make me think they didn't see this. If an item is trade-able, it can be sold for gils. They can feign ignorance all they want but it's impossible to not predict this. Ever. period.)

It's not "easy gils".
The gils don't magically appear from nowhere. They just go from a Player A to a Player B in exchange of a service (which is to make Player A able to have an Eternal Bond ceremony without using his/her credit card... in short terms: something completly ok. Same goes for the dyes).

In absolutly no way the global economy of the server is affected. The overall amount of gils within the playerbase remains exactly the same.

Plus, this way of getting gils completly falls under the demand/offer competitive market, like everything else tradable in this game. In a few days/weeks, the market will drastically slow down and the prices will hit their lowest point. Like they always did for anything new.

So, in short terms, this doesn't affect the global economy at all, and is not an infinite magical source of making gils.

[Cristal]

It's not "easy gils".
The gils don't magically appear from nowhere. They just go from a Player A to a Player B in exchange of a service (which is to make Player A able to have an Eternal Bond ceremony without using his/her credit card... in short terms: something completly ok. Same goes for the dyes).

In absolutly no way the global economy of the server is affected. The overall amount of gils within the playerbase remains exactly the same.

Plus, this way of getting gils completly falls under the demand/offer competitive market, like everything else tradable in this game. In a few days/weeks, the market will drastically slow down and the prices will hit their lowest point. Like they always did for anything new.

So, in short terms, this doesn't affect the global economy at all, and is not an infinite magical source of making gils.

It's easy gils for Player B and not for Player A if he didn't sell bracelets too. Gil value will be different between A and B. B will think: "I just have to sell one bracelet for X millions." / A will think: "I have to spiritbond / craft / shard farm / whatever Y for Z amount of time."

[rappa]

It's easy gils for Player B and not for Player A if he didn't sell bracelets too. Gil value will be different between A and B. B will think: "I just have to sold one bracelet for X millions." / A will think: "I have to spiritbond / craft / shard farm / whatever Y for Z amount of time."

/comfort
You can buy the bracelet too, only keep your gils under the mattress and you would buy one

[Fyce]

It's easy gils for Player B and not for Player A if he didn't sell bracelets too. Gil value will be different between A and B. B will think: "I just have to sold one bracelet for X millions." / A will think: "I have to spiritbond / craft / shard farm / whatever Y for Z amount of time."

By that statement, you assume that Player B have an infinite amount of real money and never had to work for it.
You are also assuming that Player B will be able to sell an infinite amount of these item with no limit in time.

Both of these are false.

Besides, you have absolutly nothing to say about the choice for Player A to use his/her "hard earned gils" to buy access to the Eternal Bond ceremony instead of using real money.
The value of gils for Player A is his/her own and his/her own only. Nobody here have the right to tell someone how to use the time that person spend on getting gils.

So, again, no, the global economy won't be affected at all.

[Mattiux]

So, again, no, the global economy won't be affected at all.

I agree with that, but this still is a way to pay for a boost. in that case a boost of gils that lead to a boost of gear.
Again i ask to Answer to my question:

I can deal with some optional item in cash shop. Minion,mount etc. but you HAVE TO make it untradable. If you want it just for fun and vanity why complain if they don't allow you to earn in game benefits (like gil) ?