FFXIV - A Step to P2W (My 2.45 Feedback)

[Taliph]

Like I said, it was an oversight by the developers. The cash shop only gives you the item. What you do with the item is by no means under control by the developers nor the cash shop. This was all created by the players themselves. It's absurd to blame Square Enix only, as part of the reason this is happening was because of something they did not predict; The players selling the Bracelets for gil. You can't deny that the players aren't one of the contributing factors, because they are in a sense.

You can't honestly believe that SE wouldn't know that people would sell these for Gil when people have been selling clears since launch.

[AdamFyi]

You can't honestly believe that SE wouldn't know that people would sell these for Gil when people have been selling clears since launch.

Nor can you say that they would know people would sell these for Gil. According to this response, they only mentioned about trading the Bracelet. Take note that they did not mention anything about selling it for Gil. This means that they may have expected people to trade it for the reasons I've already stated, but may not have expected people to willingly sell it and buy it.

But well, let's wait for some developer answer and know if it was really an oversight of the team as you say, or all this P2W festival was just their tease.

There was a response, but it isn't an official developer response. Take note that they made no mention about gil.

[Taliph]

Nor can you say that they would know people would sell these for Gil. According to this response, they only mentioned about trading the Bracelet. Take note that they did not mention anything about selling it for Gil. This means that they may have expected people to trade it for the reasons I've already stated, but may not have expected people to willingly sell it and buy it.

You do know that they couldn't just blindly stumble into this situation. Examples of what players do with tradable cash shop items have been around longer then this game in any incarnation.

[AdamFyi]

You do know that they couldn't just blindly stumble into this situation. Examples of what players do with tradable cash shop items have been around longer then this game in any incarnation.

Hence why I used "may", and "possibly" in my posts. I'm not saying that they did intend for it, but I'm saying that it's likely that they didn't prepare for it.

[Adrian74]

There was a response, but it isn't an official developer response. Take note that they made no mention about gil.

Let's wait for an official response, some developer, and to see what are they going to do at this, reveal their claws and maintain this hilarious situation and also make you know that you were wrong and SE really planned this? Or for the opposite say sorry about all this happened and that it was not their intention?... I guess which will be the anwser...

[Cristal]

Nor can you say that they would know people would sell these for Gil. According to this response, they only mentioned about trading the Bracelet. Take note that they did not mention anything about selling it for Gil. This means that they may have expected people to trade it for the reasons I've already stated, but may not have expected people to willingly sell it and buy it.



There was a response, but it isn't an official developer response. Take note that they made no mention about gil.

Come on... They're game designers... It's part (no, it's the essence) of their job to predict what players will do with the content they create and how they will try to abuse it.
Why? Because they try to maintain balance with patches and I can't think they didn't predict what we see here... It's a way for them to sell extra Bracelets to players who try to abuse the game.

[AdamFyi]

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If you read what I've said, I only proposed that they likely did not predict that players would sell them for gil.

Still, we haven't considered this topic from every angle. What we're discussing is the pay-to-win aspect of people selling these Bracelets. Do they benefit the people who sell and buy them? Yes, from what I can see, both benefit from this. Players have previously complained that they would prefer to buy this using gil instead of buying it because they can't or don't want to. Isn't this a good alternative? People who can't afford to buy it directly can pay for it with gil.

[Cristal]

If you read what I've said, I only proposed that they likely did not predict that players would sell them for gil. Still, you haven't considered this topic from every angle. What we're discussing is the pay-to-win aspect of people selling these Bracelets. Do they benefit the people who sell and buy them? Yes, from what I can see, both benefit from this. Players have previously complained that they would prefer to buy this using gil instead of buying it because they can't or don't want to. Isn't this a good alternative? People who can't afford to buy it directly can pay for it with gil.

And then it affects the whole server economy. With easy gils, players won't think before buying overpriced items and then, players that don't get easy gils will have to farm more to buy highly demanded items.
No it's not a good alternative.

(And no, you will never make me think they didn't see this. If an item is trade-able, it can be sold for gils. They can feign ignorance all they want but it's impossible to not predict this. Ever. period.)

[AdamFyi]

(And no, you will never make me think they didn't see this. If an item is trade-able, it can be sell for gils. They can feign ignorance all they want but it's impossible to not predict this. Ever. period.)

I'm not asking you to change your opinion. Please read what I said carefully. Just because they made it tradeable, doesn't mean that they intended to destroy the server economies. They may have intended it to be tradeable for gifting purposes. Who knows? We don't. And conjecture like what you are saying will get this topic locked and deleted. Furthermore, it isn't impossible to not predict this as well. Human error is still a possible suspect. You can't ignore the possibilities.

[Jandor]

The cash shop items won't sell if no one can afford them, buying cash shop items to sell for gil doesn't make more gil it only moves existing gil around.