FFXIV - A Step to P2W (My 2.45 Feedback)

[Hyunckel]

that wording doesn't even remotely say anything about gil or money though, it's just telling you the bare bones facts: trading the band isn't a violation of the tos. which is obvious.

I doubt the person who sent a GM ticket didn't explicitely ask about people trading the bracelets to other people for a Gil fee. I know I wouldn't have wasted time waiting for a response if I had asked a stupid vague question like:
"is it authorized by SE to trade Wedding Bracelets" since herp derp it's written on the wedding page and MogStation that both people need one and that you can buy more than one and trade those ...

[AdamFyi]

wait you mean, SE didn't put all this into the game on purpose and the cash shop ISN'T the terrible game destroying monstrosity i thought it was? SORRY BUT THIS CANNOT BE TRUE *buries head in sand*

It's just the most likely conclusion. Given that they don't deem trading the Bracelets a violation of the ToS (No idea on gil), we can safely assume that the Bracelets were intentionally set to be tradeable for the reasons I've stated above. I do think that the whole "selling for gil" issue was an oversight by the developers they weren't expecting. In short, it is the player that decides to sell it and it is the player that decides to buy it that is causing this whole pay-to-win fiasco that we are discussing about.

[Hyunckel]

we can safely assume that the Bracelets were intentionally set to be tradeable for the reasons I've stated above. I do think that the whole "selling for gil" issue was an oversight by the developers they weren't expecting. In short, it is the player that decides to sell it and it is the player that decides to buy it that is causing this whole pay-to-win fiasco that we are discussing about.

I'd like to believe that the main reason why the the Bracelets were made tradeable was so that you could gift your friends that want to have a Gold or Platinum plan, but are unable to purchase it themselves, as a present and a sign of goodwill. What happened instead was the players selling them for gil instead. This is not a pay-to-win by standards, but it was made that way by the players.

I don't think it is out of SE's skill to code a web page where you enter the name of your friend to gift him/her his/her Wedding Bracelet in game, via the Mog Post, and BOUND TO HIM. If that was really an oversight, there would have been statements and a hotfix already.

[lynyan]

that's a canned response just saying exactly what is already stated: you buy the bands, and then you can trade them. the problem here is players found a way to exploit this and turned it into an rmt service. i HIGHLY doubt this was intentional, cool your jets friend.

[Velhart]

Paranoid people are paranoid.

[CYoung187]

I definitely do not like the cash shop.

But come on, this is complete overreaction. Do you really think people are going to get rich selling dyes? You're reaching. RMT is always a problem, but i110 gear is not game-breaking.

[AdamFyi]

If that was really an oversight, there would have been statements and a hotfix already.

There already was a statement. They only mentioned that it was not a breech of the ToS to trade the Bracelets, but they didn't mention about selling the Bracelets for gil. We can conclude that it was not their intention nor did they expect people to sell it for gil.

As for the coding, it's not as simple as you claim it to be. You have to consider how they're coding the page and how it communicates with their databases. Currently, we do not have any function of the Mog Station that can alter character data from another account. The Mog Station only works within your account, and it isn't unreasonable to expect that it can't access another account's data.

I HIGHLY doubt this was intentional, cool your jets friend.

Fair enough. I'm just explaining it further. xD

[Adrian74]

Come on... People... IT IS THE PLAYERS WHO DECIDE THIS, YOU SURE?....

If it shouldn't be there that possibility, players wouldn't decide it.... Think of it as if it would be a exploit in the game, that SE allows players to use, but, HEY! It is players decission to use that exploit, it's not like SE's fault for let that exploit exist!

Example of how absurd it is to say that it is player's fault:

Player: "Hey, I just found that if I click in one NPC of mor dhona and select option 'Give me my money' I obtain 5m gil, is this against the ToS?"
GM: "It's not"
Player: "Oh, cool! Going to spend some!"
Some people of this forum: "Hey! But it is the player's fault for accepting that gil! It's optional, nobody forces you to take it"

But well, let's wait for some developer answer and know if it was really an oversight of the team as you say, or all this P2W festival was just their tease.

[lynyan]

Fair enough. I'm just explaining it further. xD

ah i was responding to hyunckel, not you! ;w;

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holy shit calm down

[AdamFyi]

Come on... People... IT IS THE PLAYERS WHO DECIDE THIS, YOU SURE?

Like I said, it was an oversight by the developers. The cash shop only gives you the item. What you do with the item is by no means under control by the developers nor the cash shop. This was all created by the players themselves. It's absurd to blame Square Enix only, as part of the reason this is happening was because of something they did not predict; The players selling the Bracelets for gil. You can't deny that the players aren't one of the contributing factors, because they are in a sense.