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  1. #4191
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    Lancer Lv 80
    EDIT:

    Yup :P Also, you need to hit Heavy Thrust from the Flank if you want to use Ring of Thorns combo.
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    Last edited by Dervy; 12-10-2014 at 04:53 AM.

  2. #4192
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    Se'tara Kirn
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    Diabolos
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    Arcanist Lv 45
    ...I pretty much main my ninja (was arcanist...but...NINJA!) but I'm planning to level up my lancer for invig and b4b...and get mrd to 15 so I can go ahead and grab drg while i'm at it. Sssooo...yeah. I'm still familiarizing myself.
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  3. #4193
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    Well, we know that Crits increase our damage by 1.5.


    Life Surge every 60s with Full Thrust
    360*0.5 = 180/60s = 3 PPS

    Life Surge every BFB (80s)
    (360*1.3)*0.5 = 234/80s = 2.925 PPS

    Life Surge every 50s
    LS 1. (Falls on CT) 250*0.5 = 125
    LS 2. ( Falls on FT) 360*0.5 = 180
    (repeats like this)
    125 + 180 = 305/2 = 152.5 /50s = 3.05PPS

    Interesting... I've not made a mistake have I? Because lol using Life Surge on Chaos Thrust... Halp

    EDIT: I've been testing using Life Surge at 50s intervals, so using it on CT, FT, CT, FT, CT, FT. Do not attempt it with 410+ skillspeed. Each time Life Surge will be available on the Chaos Thrust, Internal Release, Power Surge, Jump and Leg Sweep all come available again. Some fine tuning here and there, maybe slight alterations to the opening burst rotation to re-distribute IR + PS + Jump and I think this might work. I've noticed around 6-9 dps increase at 481 SS, but my god is it messy when they all come off cooldown at the same time.

    For the smoothest way to do it (if you open BFB, IR, PS, Jump like I do):

    HT - ID [IR] - DE [LS] - CT [PS] - PH [Jump] - TT [Sweep]

    I'm thinking it may be best to have our opening CD rotation as IR - BFB - PS - Jump.

    I'd like other people to test and see what they think as well and if they do or don't notice any DPS increases.
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    Last edited by Dervy; 12-10-2014 at 05:51 AM.

  4. #4194
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    Sagramore Impetuous
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    Phoenix
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Hey guys, Chaos Thrust description ingame say: 150 when executed from target "Flank"
    Bug? Shoundn't be "behind" or what?
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  5. #4195
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    It's a tooltip error. Yes, it's the rear. And it's 250 potency if combo'd in the rear.
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  6. #4196
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dervy View Post
    It's a tooltip error. Yes, it's the rear. And it's 250 potency if combo'd in the rear.
    Ok, thanks very much
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  7. #4197
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    Yan Dere
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dervy View Post
    I'm thinking it may be best to have our opening CD rotation as IR - BFB - PS - Jump.

    I'd like other people to test and see what they think as well and if they do or don't notice any DPS increases.
    I open heavy thrust ir+bfb impulse drive pot disembowel ps leg sweep ct jump phleb dragonfire true thrust spineshatter vorpal life surge true thrust

    At 467 skillspeed, I can't make the life surge for the ct. They came up at the exact same time and I'd have to delay gcd to make it.
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  8. #4198
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    Lin Celistine
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    The timer adjustment on jump and Life Surge has made the button positioning on my gamepad uncomfortable. I'm going to have to re-figure out where the placement is going to go from here on forward. Still, these buffs are well appreciated, even with me in a group that is static with me as a DRG anyways.
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  9. #4199
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    It works best with a much lower Skill Speed. 389 so far is working very, very well without having to slow down my button presses on purpose. 408 was also half decent, but I had to delay the CT/FT every couple of Life Surges by a few split seconds. I think for simplicities sake, keeping Life Surge with Full Thrusts (60s intervals) works the smoothest for all skill speeds and much less risk involved. Having to slightly slow-down your cooldowns at higher SkillSpeeds will hinder your DPS, but it's nice to see that there is something else that does provide a slight DPS increase that we can work on.
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    Last edited by Dervy; 12-10-2014 at 07:38 AM.

  10. #4200
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    Hulvein Wyrmblood
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    Ganna echo Dervs sentiments.

    38x area works nicely.
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