SE you put a really bad taste in my mouth every single patch

[Dhex]

I don't know why anyone would pay for these.

For me the Relic quest is what's put a bad taste in my mouth;

Relics are a tool to revitalize unused content the patches have rendered irrelevant. I'm starting to think they just look at traffic numbers for certain pieces of content and whenever they see something being unused they throw it into the Relic quest instead of actually thinking about why nobody is using that content anymore.

[Welsper59]

Meaning leveling, gear, exp, crafting are all things you aren't forced to participate in so why not add them to the cash shop too? You're not forced into anything, and everything you do in this game is optional because the game itself is optional so trying to argue what doesn't affect you or what you aren't interested in is fine in the cash shop is stupid. If that's the case then everything belongs in the cash shop, and make no mistake it will end up there eventually too.

I really hope people understand how ridiculous this defense is. It's true that everything is optional. It's also true that they could throw all of that into a cash shop. But they don't, no one does (not even EA). Why? Because they're not that stupid to do it. For the people who actually share the same defensive argument in the quote, are you implying that you would actually spend the money to play such a game? Is that why such an argument holds value to some?

The sky is falling and we're all going to be forced to pay money against our will to play a game we have huge problems with! Downloading a patch will cost players $40 to install, as they will be referred to as an "expansion" from this point forth! A $5 charge per log in attempt will be made! Disconnects will automatically charge $10 in an effort to make sure players pay more money to secure a better internet connection or move to someplace that can provide it! If you'd like a response from customer service, it will cost you $2 per minute by phone or $20 by email! The ability to post on forums will have a daily charge of $10!

Something to note is that I'm not defending the cash shop at all. I don't really mind the idea that they added premium Eternal Bond services to it, but I do mind that they're blatantly using the cash shop as their go-to. Mounts and pets are one thing, as often times with games like this they can rightfully use the argument that it just wouldn't make sense to add the item into the game due to additional time needed (e.g. side stories), overlooking certain exceptions of course. In the case of the dyes however, that's purely a cash grab item... and I really don't support that. I'm trying to point out that some arguments are ridiculously weak, like the one quoted. These imaginary bad ideas becoming a reality is one that will not happen no matter what (assuming the company in question isn't completely ridiculous). They do nothing that simply saying "I dislike the use of a cash shop for this service/item" wouldn't do.

First it was "Waaaaah Legacy gets priority in beta and keeps their character data for playing a game that I didn't want to play and pay for and get P2W (infinite discount) advantages!!"

Then it was "Waaaaaaaah SE we want cash shop items, WOW and GW2 does it why can't you!?"

Now it's "Waaaaaaaah why did you add vanity and (lolvanity=/=p2w) items in the cash shop, now players that actually WANT to spend money while I don't, get "advantages!!"

I don't recall ever seeing a demand for cash shops. The argument about vanity being okay wouldn't be such a big deal if the game was already expansive (which it isn't). Personally, I don't mind things being added to it that were once accessible, but no longer. Likewise, I don't mind the idea of new things being added once in a great while. But they really shouldn't be using it as their primary fallback tool for vanity goods in bulk (but sold separately), like it may end up being. I'd also like to remind people... the dyes are for ONE pot. $1 for ONE pot and it is consumed upon use... you're spending real money for something that you may end up using on something like your foot/hand equips that may make little to no difference. More power to the people that are okay with that, but wow that's such a bad deal. Also can't use on furnishing, which would have at least added some unique value to it.

[DenebPunkin]

This person understands.

Things like dyes should not be available only from the Cash Shop. There is no reason why they can't be obtainable within the game (like ALL of the other dyes). We have so many ways they could have implemented the way to obtain these dyes just from playing the game that they did not have to add them in the cash shop.

I wouldn't even be mad at all, if they were in the cash shop as optional and also obtainable via some method within the game that might required the time needed to get them; ala Treasure Maps, Retainer Ventures, Crafting or Dungeon drops. We already have the methods to obtain new items, yet they chose to only make them available for cash. Absolutely stupid.

Exactly.. and I think this is the biggest transgression SE did. WE have all hammered home how this is a SUBSCRIPTION based game.. that means the SUB should be more then enough to cover the cost of making more content. But they added a cash shop to a SUB based game. Not only did they add a cash shop, but they made pretty much every item thus far in the cash shop.. CASH SHOP only. Tell me how that is "optional".. when our only access to those items is thru the cash shop? Everyone of those items is something we have already paid for, via our monthly sub.. yet they have systematically taken those items out and relegated them solely to the CASH SHOP...

[MilesSaintboroguh]

words.

No one asked for a cash shop specifically. They wanted the ability to buy stuff like fantasias and old event items with real money. People were practically BEGGING for Square to sell fantasias and the ability to change names and were willing to pay for it. Square just put everything under one roof.

[Aegis]

No one asked for a cash shop specifically. They wanted the ability to buy stuff like fantasias and old event items with real money. People were practically BEGGING for Square to sell fantasias and the ability to change names and were willing to pay for it. Square just put everything under one roof.

You see anyone asking SE to sell dyes for money?

[BreathlessTao]

Can't you make a set of changes that are a little less... controversial or misleading? One time please, aim to be in everybody's best interest.

Y'know patch contents themselves notwithstanding, I'd like SE not to reveal the catch at the last minute just once, for a change. I don't even remember exactly, but the housing thing basically wasn't even revealed until like patch notes or maybe the live letter just a few days before the patch went live? Now with Eternal Bonding, WHOOPS surprise only the fraction of all the stuff we've been teasing you with is gonna be for available by default without additional fees for everyone. OH and now dyes are going in the cash shop too - just a week before they do the maintenance to push 2.45 live.

I'd just like not having to live with the constant fear of "well and what am I getting from all of this and what am I gonna have to pay for if I want it?" every time a letter or some event comes about that reveals new content.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

You see anyone asking SE to sell dyes for money?

After people whined about the rare dyes being "too hard" to obtain through ventures, Square threw em a bone they had to pay for. But this is not about silly dyes. People wanted certain things before the cash shop came about and now they got it. I haven't seen anyone complain about the fantasia and name changers having to be paid for.

[Nashred]

Dolls happen to be my hobby... is this a problem -.-?
Part of the MMO experience is visual as well as combat. I would rather not have to pay extra to have my character look nice in a game i'm already subbing thank you very much.Especially for content that should be in the game, (dyes should be craftable).

Well that's just it. SE said this game could be played many ways not just through combat, some people are in it just for the crafting. Just because some of the stuff in the cash shop does not affect the way one person plays the game does not mean it affects another. People that think things are ok because it does not affect the way they play the game is a little short sited. We all play the game differently and for different reasons.

[Nashred]

Well that's just it. SE said this game could be played many ways not just through combat, some people are in it just for the crafting. Just because some of the stuff in the cash shop does not affect the way one person plays the game does not mean it affects another. People that think things are ok because it does not affect the way they play the game is a little short sited. We all play the game differently and for different reasons.

Continued:

I think part of the problem is like the double mount for weddings was announced they didnt say it was going to cost money, so people got their hopes up and got disappointed. At least warn people, dont get them excited about something and then go hey but it is a additional 20 dollars. Just puts a bad taste in peoples mouth. My girlfriend wanted to get married and get this mount. It took some of the fun out of it now we have to pay 20.00 . Its not really about the money just dont want to be nickled and dimed to death when ever we want something in the game.. We pay a sub already and paid for the original game.. Where does it end?

[KodiHivaer]

Dolls happen to be my hobby... is this a problem -.-?

.__. Yes, it IS a problem, my fiancee has started collecting them and they're creepy.