Dragoon: top dps and easiest melee class by far ?

[whiskeybravo]

I don't mind the damage buff. They needed it. What they didn't need was to make it faceroll easy. You can miss ALL your positionals and only drop roughly 2% net damage, or, flank or rear only and loose about 1%. As long as you keep up 2 dots and HT you are doing 98% of the best drg on the planet. There's no room for skill at all and that's just sad.

Overreaction is overreaction

"Pressing buttons make you 98% of the best ever"

Lolz

[Izsha]

Overreaction is overreaction

"Pressing buttons make you 98% of the best ever"

Lolz

Its really not that much of an exaggeration. If you hit your gcd in the right order (just like mnk and nin) and hit every instant when timer is up between gcd (just like mnk and nin) you are doing the optimal rotation. If a mnk does that and whiffs all positionals, or a nin whiffs all their ninjutsu (dev determined equivalent) a drg does 98% of their max damage without any additional concern. Hitting buttons in the right order is litterally 98% of drgs performance. Mnk and nin cannot make such a bold claim. They have to do that and do other things or they have much more dramatic cuts to their output. That's not exaggeration.

Like I said, I'm perfectly happy with the net gain in damage, but the utter insignificance of any gameplay mechanics of the job are pretty sad to me.

[whiskeybravo]

Hitting buttons in the right order is litterally 98% of every jobs performance.

Fixed that for ya.

Bad DRGs will still be bad DRGs. They aren't creeping up on the best ever, and they prolly never will.. So you can keep thinkin DRG is faceroll easy while all the best ever DRGs are thankful their dps will no longer plummet when dealin with mechanics.

[DenebPunkin]

Nah Ninjas output of damage was more then that of drg before this latest buff
I do agree however that in terms of overall damage all 3 are fairly close now

PS. nice sig loved Dragons Dogma

I shouldve clarified that, yes before buffs nins easily out deeped the goons T_T.

And awesome, a fellow D.Dogma friend.. best game for the PS3 and I hope we see another soon from Crapcom.

Fixed that for ya.

Bad DRGs will still be bad DRGs. They aren't creeping up on the best ever, and they prolly never will.. So you can keep thinkin DRG is faceroll easy while all the best ever DRGs are thankful their dps will no longer plummet when dealin with mechanics.

Thank you... I feel like most people that are complaining about the buffs being "too" much and especially saying DRG is the easiest melee.. havent really mained DRGs enough to warrant such baseless comments. Prior to the buffs, DRGs had to do a perfect rotation just to output viable DPS.. and with the "awesome" mechanics SE likes to bring about.. that means if you missed ONE HT.. your DPS fell faster then a college girls panties.. and stayed there.

[Izsha]

Fixed that for ya.

Except your 'fix' is factually incorrect. Pushing buttons in the right order does not account for 98% of mnks damage. It does for drg. Peoples opinion about mudras vs positionals differs but based on the dev response SE gave seems to put them in the same boat. Even if you keep up huton , ninjutsu accounts for more than 2% of nin damage. Heck if you ignore their 1 positional attack they loose about 1.5% RAID dps for the entire minute which is darn sure more than 2% of an individual dps.

point remains that drg pushing buttons correctly accounts for 98% of their dps. Period. Fact. That is unequivocally not true of either mnk or nin by a long shot. Drg is now the simplist, and least punishing melee by a wide margin.

I like the numbers buff. It was very well done and brings all dps onto a fairly even field. I just didn't think they needed to idiot proof it. And yes a bad drg is a bad drg. If you can't do your jobs rotation you suck at any job. But once you can perform that basic function, your done as drg. Not so for other jobs.

[whiskeybravo]

Except your 'fix' is factually incorrect. Pushing buttons in the right order does not account for 98% of mnks damage. It does for drg.

This just in, best MNK rotation ever DK > DK > DK > DK > DK... Check out those Deeps!!

No.. Just No.

I'll even try to be objective about this just to humor you

DRG
No toggle - Heavy Thrust
Debuff combo > 2 DoTs > Power Combo
Power Surge
Life Surge
Spineshatter
Dragonfire
Jump
Leg Sweep

MNK
Toggle FoF
Debuff > 2 DoTs > Power
Steel Cyclone
Howling Fist
PB

NIN
Toggle Kiss
Debuff > DoTs > Power
Jug
Mug
Huton
Suiton > TA
Raiton
Kassatsu

Am I missing something? SE please nerf MNK, they don't have enough moves to do so much deeps.

[Izsha]

This just in, best MNK rotation ever DK > DK > DK > DK > DK... Check out those Deeps!!

No.. Just No.

Oy. I know it's more fun to read 1 sentence, ignore the rest of the post then respond to something completely unrelated, but contrary to people on this forum, it doesn't make a strong argument. If every melee pushes buttons in the right order, drg does 98% of optimal damage, mnk and ninja don't because they have additional mechanics, all after I say I LIKE the drg damage buff.

But obviously what I really meant was mnks can DK DK DK DK lulz. /sarcasm

Lern2reed.

[whiskeybravo]

Oy. I know it's more fun to read 1 sentence, ignore the rest of the post then respond to something completely unrelated, but contrary to people on this forum, it doesn't make a strong argument. If every melee pushes buttons in the right order, drg does 98% of optimal damage, mnk and ninja don't because they have additional mechanics, all after I say I LIKE the drg damage buff.

But obviously what I really meant was mnks can DK DK DK DK lulz. /sarcasm

Lern2reed.

Maybe we are just not looking at this the same... Did the actual rotation change? No. So DRGs are doing the exact same rotation (with slight adjustments to buff timing) except not being penalized when a mechanic won't let you hit the rear or the flank for whatever reason. That was half of the damn DRG combo! The more powerful half!

Every class has to "push buttons in the right order", GL3 is not like an actual mechanic of MNK, it just happens from "pushing buttons in the right order". If it drops cuz you messed up that's your fault, but if it's a encounter related mechanic to force a break - it's not like you have to do anything but get it back up by "pushing the right buttons". Ninjitsu is an actual mechanic that depends on the player, so that's a fair point, NIN rotation is not 98% of their damage. Don't act like MNK is a difficult job to play though, by far the easiest IMO.