The pull factor of Pay to Play

[rappa]

The forum is full of seer or fortune-teller.

If the game dislikes you, unsub, close the door and never come back.

[Aegis]

Lets look at it this way.

$20 Eternal Bond + Sub $15 / 30 days = $1.16 per day
$40 Eternal Dond + Sub $15 /30 days = $1.83 per day

Like I said, quit buying that McDouble and Small Fries every day and you'll be golden.

But if they included it with my sub I could still buy a sub, right?

The forum is full of seer or fortune-teller.

If the game dislikes you, unsub, close the door and never come back.

I think the concern is that people will choose to do just that. They certainly did that with version 1.

[Ashgarth]

I think the concern is that people will choose to do just that. They certainly did that with version 1.

This.

I still remember people complaining about so much stuff in 1.0 and others just telling them to shut up and leave because everything was fine.
We left.
Remember what happened?

On the other hand, since some people seem to be just thrilled with every thing that's pushed into the cash shop I guess they'll have no problem if the game goes F2P someday.

[TeaTimeBear]

This.

I still remember people complaining...

Honestly I like this game, but I'd rather see you all take action than talk. It's all everyone here ever does is talk, they get riled up then it trickles down to a few posters and 0 action taken. What is the delay? If you hate the direction why keep feeding it? I know many of you want change but look where we are now. Look at how close we are to the expansion, I feel like their ideas are being laid out pretty clear. Enough with the threats, enough with the long discussions that get few direct responses. Either watch the game crash, or use your wallet as your voice. I'd rather watch something I love fail then watch it slowly become this unrecognized beast.

[HeroSamson]

I think it is sad that because some of you don't like the cash shop you are willing to stoop to idol threats about Un-subbing to try and get your way and make SE bow down to your needs and if they don't you will sit here and complain and complain and threaten.

Well I will call your bluff cause I know for a fact most of you are blowing steam if you are gonna do it, then do it stop talking and threatening the game will not die, everyday someone quits another will sub.

I am not hating on you all but I just don't see how cash shop is preventing you from playing the game.

[Aegis]

Honestly I like this game, but I'd rather see you all take action than talk. It's all everyone here ever does is talk, they get riled up then it trickles down to a few posters and 0 action taken. What is the delay? If you hate the direction why keep feeding it? I know many of you want change but look where we are now. Look at how close we are to the expansion, I feel like their ideas are being laid out pretty clear. Enough with the threats, enough with the long discussions that get few direct responses. Either watch the game crash, or use your wallet as your voice.

Well I, along with several others I know in game, have cancelled our sub. I still have 3 months left of mine, so that's 3 months of my delightful company you have left.

I'd rather watch something I love fail then watch it slowly become this unrecognized beast.

Well, I don't 100% agree with you here, but I get the sentiment. I truly hope it does well, but this game has changed too much from the one I used to love to continue paying it. If I'm being honest with myself, I stopped truly loving this game around Sep 2013, I stopped truly enjoying it around Dec 2013/Jan 2014, it's just taken this long to accept that it isn't coming back.

[Amused]

It being P2P only was a huge factor. I've given several cash shop games a chance and have always been burnt by them in the end. To see the game going down this path is heartbreaking.

[Nalien]

Either watch the game crash, or use your wallet as your voice. I'd rather watch something I love fail then watch it slowly become this unrecognized beast.

I am really doubtful that SE will see reducing subscription numbers and turn around on the decision to have a cash shop. More likely they'll see it as a justification for the cash shop; "We're losing players, better milk the remaining ones for more through the cash shop, good thing we added that.".

I'd much rather see more community outrage, perhaps similar to the old Absolute Virtue debacle XI had back in the day. Sadly outside these forums "SE is charging $15 for a mount that was in the game in beta" isn't really getting any coverage. SE sees no repercussions from this, just the profits. So what if a bunch of us quit over it, they'll just earn that and more through the cash shop if they choose.

Canceled my sub today.

Tradable items in the cash shop is my personal line. Would not have thought they'd go there, but they did.

You should have quit come 2.2, where they let you buy two extra Retainers and added a system that let you send Retainers out to obtain various items. Even ignoring things like the minions (which you can double your chance for with $), you can get a fair amount of Allagan Pieces per day from Ventures, which is just straight up Gil, which you can double by buying two more Retainers. Eight Ventures a day isn't a lot considering you can get 6 a day from Dailies alone, or a handful from Company Seals or even Treasure Maps.

[Bixby]

Honestly I like this game, but I'd rather see you all take action than talk.

Canceled my sub today.

Tradable items in the cash shop is my personal line. Would not have thought they'd go there, but they did.

[Vaer]

Lets look at it this way.

$20 Eternal Bond + Sub $15 / 30 days = $1.16 per day
$40 Eternal Dond + Sub $15 /30 days = $1.83 per day

Like I said, quit buying that McDouble and Small Fries every day and you'll be golden.

Well on the flipside, you are paying around the cost of a full expansion (~$40+) which may include new areas, dungeons, jobs, gear, cutscenes, story, many new systems, etc for 2 dye-able outfits and a mount.