Who is Optional – A Question of Consumer Value

[AzakaTonnerre]

Preferring to buy your progress in game rather than earning it is not a "play-style", because clicking "Purchase" in the mog-station is not playing. Besides, I've a hard time trying to understand why anyone would rather spend money on stuff than get it for free, considering they're already paying each month to play to begin with.

Using your own argument (along with what others have mentioned), if you consider your progression to be based the amount of and what items you collected, preferring to buy your progress in collecting them in game rather than earning them is not a "play-style"because clicking "Purchase" in the mog-station is not playing.

See this argument can go around in circles for hours and hours because its is literally a question of each other's semantics when discussing what is important and optional to them. And there is nothing either side is going to do to change the opinion of the other. Throwing out a definition of what "pay-to-win" means, calling the use of the cash shop "supporting the game", stating that the items do not have impact. None of that will change anyone's stance.

SE provides what they'll say they'll provide for the price they set. What's optional and what isn't, at the end of the day, is solely at SE's discretion. Like it or not, they're holding all the cards here. If you disagree with them, then don't do business with them..

This is spot on whether you agree with the cash shop or not. No matter which side of the discussion you are on this is the most relevant post in this thread.

[Riepah]

Using your own argument (along with what others have mentioned), if you consider your progression to be based the amount of and what items you collected, preferring to buy your progress in collecting them in game rather than earning them is not a "play-style"because clicking "Purchase" in the mog-station is not playing.

See this argument can literally go around in circles for hours and hours because its is literally a question of each other's semantics when discussing what is important and optional to them.

Uh... what? "based the amount of and what items you collected, preferring to buy your progress in collecting them in game rather than earning them"? Could you please translate that into a coherent sentence? If you are trying to suggest that buying a minion at a vendor for gil is the same as buying it for cash - it isn't, because that gil was actually earned by playing the game.

This is spot on whether you agree with the cash shop or not. No matter which side of the discussion you are on this is the most relevant post in this thread.

No, it isn't, because SE said they'd provide the Eternal Bond minion, back when there was no mention of cash shop, happily taking our subscription money month by month. Only a week before the patch did they suddenly set a new, additional price for what they "say they'll provide".