Who is Optional – A Question of Consumer Value

[Shougun]

It is fluff. SE decided it's fluff. A similar example already happened. Old Halloween gear got put in the shop when previous events had the old gear from the same event at an npc. If SE decides to decorate the town but have zero costumes this Xmas event then it doesn't matter if I like it or not. My point is that I cannot claim it's p2w just because I decide my personal goal is collect holiday gear. My like or dislike has zero bearing on vanity gear being p2w.

That's the point a lot of people are missing that I'm trying to make. You don't have to like the cash shop or cash shop exclusives, but what is simply not true is putting vanity stuff in the shop and screaming it's p2w because SE decides what winning is. You are free to enjoy the game in whatever way floats your boat, but you don't get to redefine the game SE created.

To expand on my previous example, if the NBA approves new shoes that look different and squeak more but are very expensive and have no impact on the actual basketball game, you don't get to shout 'p2w not fair!' Because you and some friends declare the most squeaky team the winner. You didn't make the game. You can do what you want in you backyard but not rage out at the NBA over vanity shoes that squeak more.

What I am NOT saying is you can't have an opinion. What I'm trying to point out is that the idea that vanity exclusives in shop is in no way p2w because SE decides what winning is. I don't really care if you like shop or not. I'm honestly pretty neutral about the while thing. But this stance rooted in vanity=winning used to justify shop as p2w doesn't have much rational basis.

Out of curiousity what prevents SE from saying some battle related item is fluff/not pay to win. Say they sold some of the end raid gear, but it was also available in the game. SE said it isn't pay to win, obviously many players would consider this to be a lie but.. if we aren't allowed to use the definition of "win" or the popular definition of P2W then we must use SE's and SE could do whatever it wanted lol.

*flips table* Its my story. *cries*