XIV: P2P or F2P? XI never has Cash Shop, why XIV has?

[BobbinT]

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What about the magian trials or relic/mythic process in XI? It's way harder, but from what I see when I play XI, ppl enjoyed it. I do finished getting a level 99 -PDT axe for my beastmaster through magian trials, and I enjoyed it. I do also undergo several in-progress trials, though I had it on-hold since I don't have the power to play 2 MMO same time. ^^;

I agree on 1 thing tho, the current progression in ARR somewhat lacks variety.

Oh... and atma has been greatly nerfed. I finished farming a set only by few hours. lol

Really? You can get a high quality, high detail figurine for 25 bucks? Please point me in that direction, cuz my most recent figure purchase was 116+shipping.

Think there's nowhere that said I'm referring to a high quality ones. Minions would be a fluffy-doll like which would be around same price, and depending on size and quality, you could get around that price for a like-like Odin horse with that price.

[Velhart]

I agree on 1 thing tho, the current progression in ARR somewhat lacks variety.

I'm sure this has been said a million times, but hell, i'll be 1,000,001. You should just go back to FFXI if you are so butt hurt on the direction FFXIV is going. Its still up, its still bringing content in, go have a blast.

Then again, FFXI -now- FFXIV players on these forums won't rest till the game is revamped and renamed to FFXI-2.

[Tupsi]

I'm sure this has been said a million times, but hell, i'll be 1,000,001. You should just go back to FFXI

People should go back to WoW, or GW2..you know where majority of Yoshida's design "Inspiration" came from?

Then again, FFXI -now- FFXIV players on these forums won't rest till the game is revamped and renamed to FFXI-2.

What people like you seem to forget a game has to take place in the same world for it to be a sequel, or even in a world related to the same one as the previous game. Did you know? XIV barely has anything original in it and most of it is fanservice or a spin on WoW's designs? If anything, ARR is just Final Fantasy + WoW-2 atm. Most enemies came from either XI, XII or XIII and some of the entire concepts came from other FF games. Also the only ones hurt are the ones who consistently tell people to leave. That's being bitter.

[Velhart]

People should go back to WoW, or GW2..you know where majority of Yoshida's design "Inspiration" came from?

Why should we? We like where we are, you obviously don't.

What people like you seem to forget a game has to take place in the same world for it to be a sequel, or even in a world related to the same one as the previous game. Did you know? XIV barely has anything original in it and most of it is fanservice or a spin on WoW's designs? If anything, ARR is just Final Fantasy + WoW-2 atm. Most enemies came from either XI, XII or XIII and some of the entire concepts came from other FF games. Also the only ones hurt are the ones who consistently tell people to leave. That's being bitter.

And Final Fantasy 1 is just a spin off of Dragon Quest's design, which was a spin off of Wizardry's design. FFXI is just a spin off design of Everquest. Starting to see a trend here? Also, Final Fantasy has been reusing monsters and certain themes dating back to the first one, what is so different here? They reused mob design? Is it that much of an issue? None of us are hurt here that you are butt hurt this not being FFXI-2, its actually funny if anything that people let their imaginations run wild that SE will see this apparent "error of their ways" and revamp the game to meet the needs of the few who want FFXI-2. Don't take that as there are no good ideas from FFXI, just these forums are pretty good at requesting the bad aspects of it.

[BobbinT]

And Final Fantasy 1 is just a spin off of Dragon Quest's design, which was a spin off of Wizardry's design.

Can you back up your claim here? Square & Enix are 2 different companies way back then before they merged, like more than 2 decades before they merged.

FFXI is just a spin off design of Everquest.

Again, can you back this up? I do installed EQ out of curiosity and tried them. While I could see the concept originated from it, each of their designs are way too different.

They reused mob design? Is it that much of an issue?

Did you ever played FFXI & FFXIII? Cause if you don't, I guess you never know that some of mobs exist in ARR are downright exact copies of their XI/XIII counterparts. There are way too many mobs from XI reused that I can't list here, you really need to play XI to know that. Heck, it even makes me think that Vana'diel & Eorzea were actually exist in the same universe because of the abundance of reused mobs here.

And dreadnought in XIII? I thought it was quite original until I got the chance to play the PC version until chapter 4 (i think), which struck me dumbfounded. That DN has exact design between XIII & ARR. You can't ignore the fact that this is just way too lazy.

I've no problem with the reused concept since the first iteration, but at least each series has their artwork collection quite unique. You can even see the FF mascot (chocobo & moogle, including cait sith since FF7) evolved through each iteration. Same concept, but different designs. Heck, even FFXIV 1.0 does have unique designs too. And that's one thing I love about FF.

The problem I see with ARR now is that it seems losing it's FF identity and got merged by various stuff that's not really makes each FF series unique. Back when FF9 were made, we already been informed that it'll be combination of concept from previous FF series. However, the end result makes it unique on it's own. In a way of re-used concept/design, you should try comparing ARR with FF9 and see what makes FF9 unique and why ARR wasn't.

In the end, ARR has just become mere marketing tools. Didn't really give me special feels as with what XIV 1.0 & XI did despite the flaws.

[Velhart]

Can you back up your claim here? Square & Enix are 2 different companies way back then before they merged, like more than 2 decades before they merged.

Again, can you back this up? I do installed EQ out of curiosity and tried them. While I could see the concept originated from it, each of their designs are way too different.

Common knowledge. Go take 5 minutes of reading on the internet.

Boils down to people expecting FFXIV to be FFXI. Well, fact is FFXIV is not FFXI. Doesn't matter if there are the exact same copies/clones of FFXI mobs or whatever. Final Fantasy series are all under Square Enix and they are free to reuse whatever model they like. However, it doesn't change the fact that FFXIV is a separate game from FFXI. Deal. With. It.

Need to be careful, people don't take too kindly to common sense around here.

[BobbinT]

Common knowledge. Go take 5 minutes of reading on the internet.

Sadly, you still lack enough knowledge for making that assumption. I played all FF till 12th series & DQ till 9th series. About 1.5 years in XI & installed EQ. I suggest you study well before making one. ^^;