Thanks for removing all fun in crafting.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

I hate the current system with Mastercraft Demimateria. Desynthed 35 Artisan Glasses (Successfully) so far, with no Demimateria to show for it except like two Fieldcraft IIIs.
I hate pretty much all crafting ever since 3 star stuff was introduced.
This is pretty much all due in part to SEs horrible neglect to properly nerf older crafting content to make it easier for players to catch up to the new stuff.
We've had Mastercraft Demimateria since 2.3, right? So, almost four months now.
Do you know how many Mastercraft Demimaterias you need to get all your Forager and Supra/Artisan gear?
40.
40 Mastercraft Demimateria
Or, at a current market price of (last I checked) 600k or so, 24,000,000 gil.
Now, for some reason we got something of a nerf with the Fieldcraft III Demimateria with the addition of the easily craftable glasses, but we didn't get any sort of nerf to the Mastercraft Demimateria.
The biggest problem with this is that with battle content, you can skip iLevels and catch up to older players pretty quickly. You don't need to go from i60 gear to i70 to i90 to i100.
But with crafting, you absolutely have to get your Artisan mainhands, you have to level up your desynth, you have to get those demimateria to advance, you have to get your artisan mainhand and super meld yourself to get your supras.
You don't get to skip stuff with crafting, and the more and more crap they keep piling onto it is just going to add on to the long and horrible process of other people catching up to current standards. They have absolutely butchered crafting progression with the addition of desynthesis and the demimateria.

Or you could just farm T4, sell the mats/sol/materia/desynthed items and have plenty of gil to buy them from the market board like most others are doing?

Stop defending mediocre game design.
If everybody tried to just buy the demimateria, there would be no demimateria.
Somebody is going to have to desynth to get that demimateria, so there is no way around it.
It's just very very poorly designed.

[Sibyll]

I actually don't mind up to 3 star, mainly because Supra is not required to do 3 star. That was the only saving grace for me with the mastercrafts, Supra isn't a necessity. However, with the 4 star I have motivation to attempt.

My original goal was to hit 50 on my crafters and then focus on gearing the 3 that I really wanted to main. At this point I'm just 3 star everything because it's more enjoyable content than grinding Supras and get to the lackluster 4 star recipes. I'm sure the next patch will add more BSM recipes, but this is the second time they've had the BSM tier contain only an Ingot as their recipe.

[Ellatrix]

What are you talking about? You can easily jump from i55 to i75 mainhand tool, and have to do hardly any melding to do 3star thanks to i70 offhand. You also don't have to level desynth. I mean, it's smart to do it so you can generate your own stuff as well as take advantage of random drops from dungeons and old coil, but it isn't required if you just want to craft things.

BSM makes ingots required for basically all ARM synths. It's kinda handy since it means you need to do two 4* crafts to make wootz stuff, so there are going to be fewer people in the market so you get a greater return on investment.

I really don't get how people can call themselves crafters and be poor as dirt. Can spend 5-10min and make 500k-1m with zero risk or rng involved.

[DarkmoonVael]

Yeah i think crafting is becoming more about overcoming some questionable game design rather than skill. It took me circa70 artisans spectacles to get my first master demi, whilst others i know were flooded with it. Couple this with the severe reliance on farming old coil and desynth for the new recipes, its becoming more of a horrible chore based around RNG to get the mats. I really dont mind how they have implimented the actual crafts themselves, but getting the mats is just stupid. What also doesnt help is that people on my server have collapsed the weaver 4 star market in an undercutting war, making it so that at one point it was cheaper to buy the finish HQ piece rather than buying the mats (guess what my first 4 star crafter was?). Also recipe imbalance doesnt help, anyone elses server flooded with bacon bread because its lolHQ-able?

[scarebearz]

Stop defending mediocre game design.

The reason people are so mad about mastercraft demimateria, is because Fieldcraft III was nerfed so badly.

Now everyone can easily get stacks of fieldcraft cheaply, so ofc the prices of Mastercraft went through the roof.

It was poorly designed, but I disagree with your reasoning for it.

i.e. You saying "well you nerfed this, so you have to nerf that!", people like youself complaining about FCIII got us into this mess in the first place :P


Kinda funny how people don't like that you have to actually Craft to obtain "Mastercraft" Demimateria....

I could funny understand gatherers being annoyed with the system, they should have had their own Master Demi's to obtain imo.

[Sibyll]

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Because some people are on small servers with weaker economies? Because, believe it or not, some people don't level up crafting to make gil, but rather to not rely on the overpriced wares that people post on the boards.

Also, unless you have a lot of gil to spend acquiring one of those i70 off hands would require you already having a 3 star BSM. Even if you had the gil, it'd be cheaper to just overmeld militia of hands. Let's face it, you really don't need the artisan offhand and the Supra unless you are looking to do 4 star crafting.

Kinda funny how people don't like that you have to actually Craft to obtain "Mastercraft" Demimateria....

Master I Books require you to craft. Artisan Main Hands require you to craft. Mastercraft Demimateria require favorable RNG.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

i.e. You saying "well you nerfed this, so you have to nerf that!", people like youself complaining about FCIII got us into this mess in the first place :P

Oh geeze, I'm so sorry I want content to be nerfed properly, in spite of SEs horrible neglect to do so, to be commensurate with the current crafting curve.

Anyway, no, if you had taken the time to actually read the posts here, pretty much everyone is complaining about how much of a pain in the ass it is to get the mastercrafts. The Fieldcraft III drop rate absolutely does not affect the Mastercraft Demimateria drop rate, and I think spending about 30 seconds reading mostly any of the posts here will indicated pretty clearly "I think the drop rate is stupidly low and I need too many of these and this is horrible game design".
So, really, don't put words in my mouth like that, I don't appreciate it.

And, honestly? If people like me are the reason FC III are so much easier to get, all you're telling me is to keep complaining until they make Mastercraft Demimateria more reasonable to get, because "Just buy them" is the dumbest thing I've read all day and is in no way a solution to the problem at hand.

[Ellatrix]

You aren't supposed to be able to get 8/8 4* in one day on your own. Game is working as intended.

[DragonHunterG]

You aren't supposed to be able to get 8/8 4* in one day on your own. Game is working as intended.

pretty much.

i feel like overall yea it's pretty harsh to get every craft up to having maxed out stats, feels unfair and sometimes like why bother anymore. on the other hand, it makes you start focusing more on one, two or three crafting classes and makes things little more interesting that way instead of having everyone able to craft everything at the highest levels. i like the wall they've set in place. its easy to get jealous of the super rich or those who have tons of free time, but i've kind of adjusted to saying to myself, eh, so be it. i almost feel like it's a better game when you can pick a class, specialize in that and enjoy it for what it's worth because i think every class has access to their own items that could bring in a decent amount of gil. anyways, they'll change things around eventually and we'll see what happens.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

You aren't supposed to be able to get 8/8 4* in one day on your own. Game is working as intended.

I think more people would care what you have to say if you weren't awfully exaggerating the main complaint here and/or at least dislodged the stick from your rear.
And yes, the game is working as intended.
And the way it is intended to work is crappy and just makes it poor game design that needs to be rectified.

I really don't get how people can call themselves crafters and be poor as dirt.

Try harder.