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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    Actual game content vs a Wedding that largely does nothing is on two different levels.
    No, because that is "actual game content" just the same. Just because it's content you don't personally care about doesn't mean it isn't content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    So in your words:
    What I said in my words is written in my post, clear as crystal - how you came to your strange conclusion of what you think my words were is beyond me.

    You said "Actual game content vs a Wedding that largely does nothing" -- but that wedding IS actual game content. Vanity is content, fluff is content, minions and mounts are content. Not only raids and item level matter in games.
    Why ask if the game would survive with "only the wedding system in it"? That is quite a silly question. Counter question: Would the game survive with only raids, if you remove all vanity and fluff from the equation? Would people raid if every gear set looked the same?

    I should have leveled via wedding system, you say. That's cute - do you mean to imply, then, that anything you can't level with isn't content? Last I checked, you can't level via raiding. You also can't level via PvP.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "asumption that someone "doesn't care about"", that seems like an incomplete sentence. In any case, the Eternal Bonding system will still be relevant in a year. Will the next tier of Crystal tower matter in a year, or coil, when we're long level 60?
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    Last edited by Riepah; 12-03-2014 at 08:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riepah View Post
    No, because that is "actual game content" just the same. Just because it's content you don't personally care about doesn't mean it isn't content.
    So in your words:

    Hundreds of thousands (or the 2 million as SE says) of people signed up to play XIV strictly for a wedding system? Tell me: Would this game survive with only the wedding system in it? Wedding is a system that yoshida even said they didn't fully think about some features such as couple skills (like almost every other MMO has), so it's not main content in the game. Raids actually progress your character. Same with doing content like Primals and ST/CT - Why did you level to 50? You should have stayed at level 1 and leveled via wedding system.

    You also made the asumption that someone "doesn't care about" - EB doesn't do much for the game compared to the next introduction of end-game content and Crystal Tower. Or are we to believe that's incorrect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    So in your words:

    Hundreds of thousands (or the 2 million as SE says) of people signed up to play XIV strictly for a wedding system? Tell me: Would this game survive with only the wedding system in it? Wedding is a system that yoshida even said they didn't fully think about some features such as couple skills (like almost every other MMO has), so it's not main content in the game. Raids actually progress your character. Same with doing content like Primals and ST/CT - Why did you level to 50? You should have stayed at level 1 and leveled via wedding system.

    You also made the asumption that someone "doesn't care about" - EB doesn't do much for the game compared to the next introduction of end-game content and Crystal Tower. Or are we to believe that's incorrect?
    To back up this comment further (taken from one of the many other bloody threads about this topic):

    Quote Originally Posted by Xairos View Post
    At any point in this game did you battle, level up, collect gear and weapons? Because if you boil this game's concept down, The language that this game uses for "Power" is gear stats and weapon stats and character level. So unless you logged in and sat in the starter zone saying "I dont want to fight, I just want to collect", you have and are playing this game and participating in the "Win" condition of this game.

    It is fallacious and dishonest to claim that the new "Win" condition of this game is to collect minions and mounts and pass that off on the forums as a perceived form of "Power".

    Even if you convince yourself that your form of "Power" is collecting minions and mounts and clothing to jazz yourself up, you can not re-write the code of this game's definition of "Power". SE is not selling power.
    Mainly to say that SE will never sell anything related to raid content (ie. gear, removing weekly lockouts) since it impacts gameplay, and the "Win" condition.
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    Last edited by juniglee; 12-03-2014 at 08:27 AM.