Please do not destroy Mastercraft Demimateria like you did with FCIII.

[Songi]

If you're needing special hardware or software to execute the said commands it's cheating. To all who use those devices to get ahead in the game are cheaters. Those mouse macros weren't invented with fair play in mind, that's for sure.

[Mishini_Dracoto]

For the hard of hearing in the back - 1st party = game, 2nd party = player, 3rd party = other person who gives the macro to one of the other two party members. Grade school. What the heck do you think a 3rd party macro is? . . . snip. . . .

Wrong.

Exactly where do you draw your line?

Allow me to educate you.

Before you Berate somebody else, you should try researching, and becoming knowledgeable on the topic you are discussing. Allow me to begin by imparting some facts, so that we can continue to communicate effectively.


License Limitations re: Cheating and Botting as defined by Square-Enix:
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...1&tag=users_en

2. LICENSE LIMITATIONS
2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

Note: unauthorized software or hardware.

Authorized = Using the built in Macro system, inside the game client, to execute commands.
Unauthorized = Pretty much any system not already approved by Square-Enix.

While I'm on that thought, Square-Enix official forums, and official Final Fantasy XIV Forums, are provided by Square-Enix, and so are obviously apporved for use by Square-Enix

Typically, we discuss this "Third Party" Code/hacks/bot. Using what is often described as "Third party." I'm sure that for legal purposes they avoided restricting it to third party, and broadened it to the generic term unauthorized.

Furthermore,

Legal Definition of Third party:

Third Party 
A generic legal term for any individual who does not have a direct connection with a legal transaction but who might be affected by it.

So to clarify, in a legal contract, You are the first person, the second person is the person you are in a contract with, a third party, is anybody else.

I felt it important to include this, to emphasize exactly how you are mistaken on every point you have made thus far.

In Closing:

Exactly where dooes Square-Enix draw the line? (per the EULA) You can see how I changed the original wording to avoid confusion on the matter. I ensured to put in per the EULA, which I have previously quoted, just in case I am mistaken somehow on one of these points.


Things you can do:

• open the Macro interface, and type in commands as provided by Square-Enix, to execute actions as defined by Square-Enix / Final Fantasy XIV.
• User player-resources to enhance your gameplay, that are provided by Square-Enix. For example, Final Fantasy XIV official Forums, player blog posts on the lodestone
• even the Libra Eorzea app available on your mobile device!

Things you can not do:

• Run Software that interacts with the game clientⁿ
• Use hardware that does not operate as intended by Square Enix.²

ⁿ - This is where we as players use the term Third Party. Note that if it was only restricted to third party, that would imply it's OK to hack the game as long as you don't use somebody else's software/hardware to do it. I expect this is the reason for broadening the definition to unauthorized.
²- This, in my opinion, is my weakest definition in here. Let's say you have a "Mouse-macro" and you can somehow make it click in certain parts of the screen in a certain order based on hardware-only tech. Or maybe it sends the "Enter" Command after a synthesis is complete to immediately start another synthesis without another keystroke being required. I imagine these are things that Square-Enix would deem unauthorized. They have designed the game in a way in which you need to be present to start another synthesis. The exception being their quick synthesis action, which has completely separate side effects, and is not available on every synthesis recipe, for a reason.

[EricCartmenez]

The folks selling gil aren't using these top-end pieces of gear. They are folks like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3cmCKjPLR8 and this. Maybe they're using the very macros you posted online in forums like this. Hm... They use inexpensive equipment and do things the 'old fashioned' way. No ergonomic chairs, HD screens, programmable mouses or keyboards. It's a sweat shop of video gaming.

There's absolutely nothing that having a macro keyboard or mouse is going to give you that you don't already have. Stop being jelly or buy one or both.

BTW, I'm on PS4, so I don't use any of that stuff.

[Riepah]

There's absolutely nothing that having a macro keyboard or mouse is going to give you that you don't already have. Stop being jelly or buy one or both.

Besides chaining macros and therefore constructing endless queues of actions without any input on your part, allowing you to be afk for extended periods of time while your character keeps working. This is EXACTLY what people are trying to explain to you. This is EXACTLY what SE don't want you to do.
Instead of accusing people of being "jelly", you should perhaps just follow the rules, hmm? Nobody's "jelly" of cheaters. Also, if you really aren't using any of the stuff, why would you go out of your way to pretend that it's A-OK and legal and that everyone who doesn't agree with you is "jelly"?

[EricCartmenez]

snip?

Because it's not cheating, that's why! I can understand if you're playing COD and someone is using a modded controller to quick scope or back in the day when people bought controllers that fired pistols faster, but that's not what this is. People aren't setting up their keyboards and walking away and suddenly they have 300 HQ gold ingots or something. If you had one and you used it, you'd see why it would be stupid and ineffective. I use a Strike 7 (programmable keyboard) and a Space Pilot (mouse) at work every day. It would be more work for me to do what you suggest and I would blow up more mats than setting up a macro in game and just kicking them off manually. You just want to believe that there is some inherent advantage, because you find it hard to believe that someone is actually putting in the same effort as you, but they are either lucky enough (RNG) or dedicated enough (putting in more hours) to go further than you.

[StouterTaru]

People aren't setting up their keyboards and walking away and suddenly they have 300 HQ gold ingots or something. If you had one and you used it, you'd see why it would be stupid and ineffective.

Kinda like how those 24/7 miners with the afk symbol are sitting there gathering the old fashioned way? I couldn't even begin to program a mine bot script, but I'm pretty sure I could hammer out a craft bot script in a few hours without keyboard or mouse macros.

[scarebearz]

snip

For someone using the terms "Grade school" and "jelly", you seem to have very poor comprehension.

I have a mouse and keyboard that could be setup to cheat, but I chose not to... I don't like cheating.

There are people who do use such third party "mouse macro's" to afk and come back to stacks of hq mats, pots, etc.

[ServerCollaps]

there are some crafters around who just sit "afk" in their locked private chambers and craft all the night HQ mats and gear by using keyboard macros, what I consider as botting

they wake up 2 or 3 times per night to repair their gear and go to bed again, while crafting hundreds of HQ items...

when they wake up in the morning they just made some million gil with zero effort

[Mishini_Dracoto]

Because it's not cheating. . . .

WRONG.


Cheating - act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
As defined by SE: 2. LICENSE LIMITATIONS
2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

1) Read my previous post. understand it, or stop arguing as your point has been invalidated.
2) The EULA states a list of rules, which I have quoted. In order to play the game, you need to accept the EULA (by clicking the "I accept" button in the installer.)
3) The EULA has states you can not use Automation software, or unauthorized hardware or software that interacts with the game.

If the EULA's definition of cheating, somehow escaped you, the fact that they say you cannot use unauthorized hardware, means that you have accepted the terms to not use that hardware. if you are using unuthorized hardware r software, you are being dishonest, which falls back into the generic definition of cheating, not the one explicitly defined by SE.

This is a Black and White issue. Automation tools outside of the game client = cheating. I am not 'Jelly' I can afford this type of hadware, I could probably write software that does this style of automation, but I don't, because it is cheating.

People aren't setting up their keyboards and walking away and suddenly they have 300 HQ gold ingots or something.

On this point, you are wrong.

I Server transferred, from Coeurl to Ultros, because my previous FC all ran bots. The FC leader was afk for 2 weeks, but his character was still logged in and gathering. Is he using the keyboard you are using? Probably not. He's probably using something a lot better.

This is what the rest of the Forum understands, except you.

[DenebPunkin]

using a mouse click macro

why is this bad?