XIV: P2P or F2P? XI never has Cash Shop, why XIV has?

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

So, you're under the dillusion that Square Enix isn't a business? Final Fantasy XIV : ARR, is NOT their only product. Any revenue generated by ARR gets split apart and drafted into the rest of the company.


However, if more revenue besides the monthly subscriptions is acquired, extra previously declined financial investments can be considered such as the EU datacentre, which is going to cost somewhere in the regions of a few hundred thousand Euro's to initially setup and them maintain.

The money from the Mogstation additional services eases the cost of a complete new datacentres initial costs which is going to be a rather large financial blow to the ARR team's budget.


THE MOGSTATION ITSELF WILL NOT PAY FOR THESE NEW ADDITIONS. Don't become confused on this, this subsidises the overall cost to setup the new datacentre in Europe, which will pay it's investment overtime (similar to the extra servers added on launch to cope with the stress).

HAHAHAHAHAHA no.

The counts have been done quite a few times arround the forums. SE has more than enough money to cover actually everything of the game. The only way microtransactions money is going is shareholders. And that isn`t bad perse. Is bad cause for this we got a terrible cash shop for this and the game is becoming a pay2enjoy experience within a pay2play to game. Which is frankly, a disgusting financial strategy. But again, gamers keep reciving as they deserve because they are pretty much, the worse consumers ever in terms of consumer rights and how they just glady go with everything the industry throws at them.

[Shioban]

HAHAHAHAHAHA no. The counts have been done quite a few times arround the forums. SE has more than enough money to cover actually everything of the game.

Please quote me where the projected profits and budget for ARR were posted, otherwise this is baseless conjecture and assumption.
Assuming your average person on the forums isn't going to know the ins and outs of SE's financial outlook and budget it's safe enough to assume instead that they're going to do what absolutely every other company does (see below, or my previous post).

HAHAHAHAHAHA no.

Is bad cause for this we got a terrible cash shop for this and the game is becoming a pay2enjoy experience within a pay2play to game.

Go back and read what I wrote, you've clearly brushed over it.

Every single digit earned from ARR is drafted BACK INTO THE COMPANY.

This is how every company works, if you have separate divisions (of which SE has a ton), when one product does particularly well in this case ARR, the money goes back into investing in other projects.

In order to get the finances to add an entire datacentre costing over and upwards 200-400,000 Euros, you're going to have to go above and beyond your projected profits.



Your confusing Vanity Items with Advatages. THOSE are the only real concern with a cash-shop.
If they were to add, EXP Buffs, Purchasable Currencies/Tokens, Pay-To-Acess Content, Gear with End-Game Stats, or even Gil.

However, this will never happen, Yoshida himself at the UK Fanfest opened by saying "No Pay to Win".

HAHAHAHAHAHA no.

Is bad cause for this we got a terrible cash shop for this and the game is becoming a pay2enjoy experience within a pay2play to game. Which is frankly, a disgusting financial strategy. But again, gamers keep reciving as they deserve because they are pretty much, the worse consumers ever in terms of consumer rights and how they just glady go with everything the industry throws at them.

You need to do a little research into the mogstation clearly.

Currently it only offers, what...four-five minions and a mount.


If your entire enjoyment of the game hinges on 5 extra items that have no real impact on your overall experience, then something is VERY wrong with your outlook.

the worse consumers ever in terms of consumer rights and how they just glady go with everything the industry throws at them.

You clearly don't understand consumer rights then.

But you do have the right to choose as to whether or not you want these items, as all you simply have to do is choose not to purchase them.

Words won't matter, numbers will.

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Your confusing Vanity Items with Advatages. THOSE are the only real concern with a cash-shop.
If they were to add, EXP Buffs, Purchasable Currencies/Tokens, Pay-To-Acess Content, Gear with End-Game Stats, or even Gil.

However, this will never happen, Yoshida himself at the UK Fanfest opened by saying "No Pay to Win".

If your goal is to have all the minions in the game then it's a pay to win.

[Shioban]

If your goal is to have all the minions in the game then it's a pay to win.

That's like saying "Someone bumped my shoulder, therefore they attacked me violently!!!".
It's a misuse of the general meaning of the term.


The conventional terms used in the video game industry aren't going to apply to the few going;

"BUT I COLLECT MINIONS, THEREFORE IT MUST BE PAY TO WIN!"

Pay to win refers to a paid for advantage/boost/aid using real world currency to progress further in gameplay content.

Cept ARR was self-funded.

^ Correct!

Completely forgot to mention this in my last post to him.

FFXIV has no investors, hence why it's a subscription based MMO that'll gain a return on their development costs over a period of years, as opposed to the likes of Guild Wars 2 which had a substantial amount of investors who wanted an immediate return on their investements in GW2, thus the pay-to-progress cash-shop was born.

[Kuwagami]

If your goal is to have all the minions in the game then it's a pay to win.

stop with that pointless so called "argument" thanks. A "minion collector only" chose the wrong game

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stop with that pointless so called "argument" thanks. A "minion collector only" chose the wrong game

Thank you oh great master your objectives are the only one that matters, let's remove PvP, vanity and craft then.

[Tupsi]

Thank you oh great master your objectives are the only one that matters, let's remove PvP, vanity and craft then.

I actually get what he's trying to say:

If you choose this game for PvP or Minion collecting, alone, you definitely chose the wrong game - MOBAs are more up your alley if you love PvP. Even WoW is better for PvP - This game isn't focused on those features which means they'll be severely lacking in the long run compared to the PvE aspects (which is also lacking, but is the game's main focus.)

Barely anyone complained? Not sure if serious...

Ive never played wow, but my friends have and said they got bullied to no end for having a paid mount from the cash shop. They all talk about how their was so much rage on the wow forums about it.

Unlike other MMOs, XI and XIV mount system is universal, so anything added will be the same thing with a different skin since Yoshida doesn't like creating rifts between the have and have nots - as in create a drive to go after x which could upset people who can't get it.

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I actually get what he's trying to say:

If you choose this game for PvP or Minion collecting, alone, you definitely chose the wrong game - MOBAs are more up your alley if you love PvP. Even WoW is better for PvP - This game isn't focused on those features which means they'll be severely lacking in the long run compared to the PvE aspects (which is also lacking, but is the game's main focus.)



Unlike other MMOs, XI and XIV mount system is universal, so anything added will be the same thing with a different skin since Yoshida doesn't like creating rifts between the have and have nots - as in create a drive to go after x which could upset people who can't get it.

The main focus of the game are 4 bosses every 7 months ? So much for a main focus...