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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    By a big margin? Actually, it's rather negligible. Contrary to what those numbers look like, Build 2 contributes a whopping 0.092 more effective DEX than Build 1. This is assuming the weights currently being used by Ariyala's calculators of Det=0.332 and Crit/Speed=0.187. Remember that the first 341 points of Crit/Speed don't count, and neither do the first 202 points of Det.

    So... why would that be? Det's the best, right? It's because Build 2 lacks 20 Det but has almost 40 of the other two added. Stats have a funny way of not really mattering that much as long as you don't overspend on Accuracy.

    To the OP, just make sure you have your Accuracy and that you don't have so much Skill Speed that your TP no longer exists. Do that, and the other stats will be a-okay.
    The stat weights used by Ariyala still are the monk ones and aren't copy/paste'able to nin. Crit in general is weighted higher than skillspeed because of how the stat scales, monk is an exception for this because of bootshine autocrit and traited inner release, so crit is rated lower. Nin doesn't have bootshine and traited inner release, thus crit has to be more weighted in the way it is for other jobs, which is way closer to the actual stat weight of det, while skillspeed is still as low as for every other melee class.

    Big margin was an overstatement, but still set one is better and it's pretty clear by just taking one quick look at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCookTM View Post
    The stat weights used by Ariyala still are the monk ones and aren't copy/paste'able to nin. Crit in general is weighted higher than skillspeed because of how the stat scales, monk is an exception for this because of bootshine autocrit and traited inner release, so crit is rated lower. Nin doesn't have bootshine and traited inner release, thus crit has to be more weighted in the way it is for other jobs, which is way closer to the actual stat weight of det, while skillspeed is still as low as for every other melee class.

    Big margin was an overstatement, but still set one is better and it's pretty clear by just taking one quick look at it.
    Okay, let's play with the numbers then. Other classes have between 0.2 and 0.250 for their crit rate, excluding Bard and BLM who have crit cased procs. Let's adjust our fake weights. Det is probably still the best. We'll leave Skill Speed alone and then highball Crit.

    Crit = 0.250
    Det = 0.332
    Speed = 0.187

    Build 1 is...
    +176 Crit
    +184 Det
    +15 Speed

    This equals approximately 107.893 effective DEX

    Build 2 is...
    +157 Crit
    +164 Det
    +70 Speed

    This equals approximately 106.788 effective DEX

    Now Build 1 has 1.105 DEX over Build 2. That's still less than a 1% advantage. That's still negligible.

    Let's have a little more fun. What if I were to stack Skill Speed to its maximum while avoiding Determination? The theoretical least optimum build? These numbers are using Sauteed Coeurl

    535 Acc
    +188 Crit
    +37 Det
    +222 Speed

    Ah, yes. These truly are the kinds of numbers that min maxers faint over. Let's see what it adds up to!

    We get a total of 100.798 effective DEX. That's right. A mere 7.095 DEX less than the lauded BiS. Of course, this build would really have to worry about TP, but they aren't wanting for damage while there is TP in that bar.

    So... I hope this makes it more clear just how little Secondary Stats truly matter. As long as you don't have wasted Accuracy, you'll have a set of stats that will be capable of doing any content no matter what gear you choose!
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    Last edited by Donjo; 12-02-2014 at 01:39 AM. Reason: Sauteed Coeurl is a better food for the test than Apkallu Omelette