Exactly how much more do you expect us to pay?

[ExKage]

The rub of it is, traditionally that's why people pay a subscription fee.

Apparantly some people seem to think the subscription fee is just a key that unlocks the door and everything ontop of that should cost extra.

My company pays about $13k for 11 months of a service contract on a SEM. We get unlimited calls for them to come out. It does not mean that $13k covers replacement items or repaired items. I still need to pay for hose replacements (expected to need to be replaced), air valves, etc. I see no reason why a subscription fee -has- to include everything even when warranties and service contracts do not.

[Janhyua]

If SE want to milk me sure I will tell you how lol

Put full set armor of FF7 Adv children cloud armor with his sword for dark knight and all other class....

Hell I would even pay 100 USD for it lol

Bah is a dream it will never happen lol

[Meshico]

I think the cash shop for items already designed in the game, to be purchased is annoying-ly understandable. I don't like it but I do understand why it exists.

But one really quick thing for people who are just sick of it...something like this would not exist if the demand did not exist.

SE made it available...and that's is all they did. Then the people, just like you and me (Not implying that you or I have made purchases), made it possible for them to continue this trend.

To get a little real here, it's just like voting. People like you and me (again not implying you do or do not vote), get something we don't like...complain about it, but in the end didn't really do anything about it. (Not implying if you did not vote you don't have a reason to be upset).

LOL jeez I have to cover my arse everywhere!

But back on topic...It's no bueno, but at the same time if your a completion-ist, like me, you will either break or quit. I hope you stay, for selfish reasons

-Tari

[Cynfael]

I think a lot of people are mad about "having" to buy something they already paid for.
For clarification the mount and minions were developed with our sub money. In order to get them you have to pay for them again.

Anything new added can be claimed as being developed with money from the cash shop the same cannot be said about the original exclusive items.

While I understand where this kind of statement comes from, it, too, isn't necessarily true. FFXIV is a franchise owned be SE, which draws its revenue from a number of sources. Businesses don't usually keep their income arbitrarily separated as if they were fussy kids not wanting different foods on their plate to touch.

It could still be true that the cash shop launch was funded directly from FFXIV subscription income, but statements like those shouldn't be made as if they were known facts. This is part of how we get threads blown so out of proportion; they start with assumptions as mild as this one and snowball until the sky is falling and even the craziest assumptions are considered factual.

[Orlandeu]

It's really sad that I actually had to pay more than $15 to play the game! I paid like $20 more for my name change and fantasia just so I can become a femcat in order for me to play the game! I mean the game is just unplayable without my very own Odin mount so I paid an extra $20(?) for it. I wasn't able to log in and enjoy the game without those cute little minions on the cash shop so I had to dump a whole bunch of money on that too!

SE please stop forcing us to pay more than our monthly subscription in order to play! wah wah QQ T_T ;_;

[Dyvid]

It's really sad that I actually had to pay more than $15 to play the game! I paid like $20 more for my name change and fantasia just so I can become a femcat in order for me to play the game! I mean the game is just unplayable without my very own Odin mount so I paid an extra $20(?) for it. I wasn't able to log in and enjoy the game without those cute little minions on the cash shop so I had to dump a whole bunch of money on that too!

SE please stop forcing us to pay more than our monthly subscription in order to play! wah wah QQ T_T ;_;

First, sarcasm rarely works on the internet and second you are totally missing the point. We are talking about content being placed behind a paywall. Hypothetically speaking let's assume Slepnir and Odin minions aren't in game. Now let's assume SE just announced Odin HM with new i120 weapons and you can buy Odin EX version from the cash shop that includes Slepnir and Odin minion. It's the same concept because it's just "fluff" items but now it actually effects the majority instead of minority. Content is content whether it's PvE, PvP, or Sandbox.

It's a slippery slop and begs the question what my sub actually entitles me to and what addition fees I should pay for? Veterans Reward are a fine example because the beginning they gave all kind of cool stuff but now it's going more and more to the CS. What if tomorrow they said that in the Golden Saucer you can play Parley and Slide 1+XIV but you have to pay extra for chocobo racing and tetra master? Make no mistake that wedding is content, sandbox in nature, but content none the less. Now SE is saying we are adding a new feature but get the full experience of it you have to pay extra.

[Magis]

First, sarcasm rarely works on the internet and second you are totally missing the point. We are talking about content being placed behind a paywall. Hypothetically speaking let's assume Slepnir and Odin minions aren't in game. Now let's assume SE just announced Odin HM with new i120 weapons and you can buy Odin EX version from the cash shop that includes Slepnir and Odin minion. It's the same concept because it's just "fluff" items but now it actually effects the majority instead of minority. Content is content whether it's PvE, PvP, or Sandbox.

Also the stuff Orlandeu complained about are optional services (even SE uses this term) which I don't think many people have a problem with. A server transfer or a name change, or even a character appearance change isn't content.

[SendohJin]

But one really quick thing for people who are just sick of it...something like this would not exist if the demand did not exist.

not sure what that means. there's a demand for housing, there's a demand for glamour prisms before either of those were added in patches, why are those not sold in the cash shop?

only two types of things should exist in the cash shop imo.

1) deterrents to unrealistic game altering systems (server transfer, race/sex change, name change)
2) optional skins that would not have been designed if the cash shop doesn't pay for it, so alternate minions, mounts, outfits, hairstyles.

what should not exist in the cash shop

1) unique functionality items that does not exist elsewhere (Dual Rider Mounts, both methods to obtain this appears to be real money only, there should at least be one generic dual rider mount that is quested or dropped in game, they can sell the fancy ones with unique barding in the cash shop).
2) already existing game data, Sleipnir was already designed, we are being charged to shrink it down? the Lion, Bear and Bomb Chair were unique models that didn't exist in game before those mounts were added, if they are charging for the design cost of those, I would be okay with that. Charging for something that we already paid for is dirty.

[Tannlore]

not sure what that means. there's a demand for housing, there's a demand for glamour prisms before either of those were added in patches, why are those not sold in the cash shop?

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Don't give them ideas

[WHS]

Vanity is part of why some people pay the subscription fee for the game. Why do those people have to cough up extra for the privilidge to have vanity gear? Personally I think anything they plop in the cash shop should be attainable in the game through various means.

Just because you don't think vanity is part of your subscription fee doesn't mean it's part of how the sub-fee should be allocated to develop all conent in the game to other people.

You just made me think of this issue in a whole new light. Im starting to think the cash shop items should have their own development budget and only come from revenue generated from the cash shop.

The subs and all the other revenue outside of cash shop should not be spent on cash shop items or their development.

Let that revenue be spent solely on development of the paid sub model and server infrastructure and so forth. Now if it worked like that then we have something.

What I fear like many others might is that beside cash shop revenue , any paid sub also contributes to the cash shop flow even if we do not buy a single cash shop item. So the gist is all proceeds go back into cash shop and keep making more and more cash shop items. Vanity or not. Subs money is going to the cash shop too and it would be better if the two were separate.

I do agree with what you said about items being available in game as well.