Eternal Bond - Standard Plan and Gold Plan

[polyphonica]

Where did they talk about the Eternal Bond paywalls?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...eview?sle=true

I found the google document of the translation and the Eternal Bond section does not say anything about pay walls...

On the stream (fast forward to around 1:30:15, and the plans 1:36:30) they announced that there'd be three plans: Standard, Gold, and Platinum, and that the gold and platinum plans would cost money. They said that all the aspects of the ceremony would be covered in the Standard Plan, but Gold/Platinum is basically extras/frills for people who want that.

[Numenor1379]

Like I said, compulsive purchase... but some people are dead blinds.

Again, show how paying for one single item is "compulsive"?

You have no other argument other than "it's not something you should pay for". FINE THEN... go get the FREE Bond. It's right there, no payment necessary. Zip. Zero. Zilch. The only recourse you have is to insult people because they feel like doing something differently than you. Sucks for you that you've already lost this argument as the system is being put in whether you want it or not.

Go pout in the corner, you'll accomplish just as much and won't be irritating the rest of us.

[Edenholt]

You can get eternally bonded without paying a cent.

Free and Paid versions in a Pay to Play game? Seems a bit shady to me. There's a reason why I don't play f2p games, it's because I don't like to pay extra for it and that.

[Canadane]

Free and Paid versions in a Pay to Play game? Seems a bit shady to me. There's a reason why I don't play f2p games, it's because I don't like to pay extra for it and that.

I'm glad we have an understanding that there's no need to pay for it to get bonded.
A bit shady? Perhaps, perhaps not. Many MMOs do this, including pay to play ones. So as long as there's no pay to win option in an pay to play game, I wouldn't call it shady, personally.

[Altena]

It's a subscription game.

The only thing that should cost money is the monthly sub, or things like Fantasia / Transfers / Name changes (basically "system" services).

Leave vanity/minions/weddings etc as in-game rewards etc. It's completely stupid that the Odin mount, along with a bunch of the Scion minions are behind the cash wall. The only exception to this should be the CE editions of the game/expansions.

Although in saying this, I am not completely opposed to selling previous event vanity (such as the ugly ghost costumes), provided that every year - we can get the previous vanity with gil like we always have.

Cash shop should be for the "I missed the event but I want it NOW" crowd.

[Edenholt]

I'm glad we have an understanding that there's no need to pay for it to get bonded.
A bit shady? Perhaps, perhaps not. Many MMOs do this, including pay to play ones.

There's a lot of people doing unlawful and mean stuffs in the world, that doesn't excuse you or me for doing the same.

So as long as there's no pay to win option in an pay to play game, I wouldn't call it shady, personally.

They're going to introduce a feature for which people have been very excited about since YoshiP said they would start looking into it. Now that they will introduce it into the game they will offer you a basic package for free, but if you want the real deal with all the yummies then you have to cash out some extra aside of your monthly subscription fee. Things are really escalating with this cash shop.

[Miitan]

So let's say that tomorrow SE announce that the cash shop was a terrible idea, refund everyone's money and revert all the changes including name changes, fantasia, mounts, minions and reduce everyone back to 2 retainers. We'd just have a different set of people complaining that they can't get what they want.

[Folsom]

The cash shop does not bother me any more than it did when it was released. Our sub fee does not pay for everything, as added things require added work. I have no delusions about them giving us literally every penny we pay for back in content; they're a business, afterall. But the "we already pay a subscription!" statement only goes so far. That subscription only pays for so much. If the cash shop is allowing them to provide extra content through transactions, that's fine with me. Perhaps people would be happier if they raised the subscription fee to compensate instead?

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

The amount of people insulting others just because they don't see eye to eye is downright disgusting. For goodness sake, just because someone doesn't mind spending money on something you mind doesn't mean they are stupid, can't control their urges and are blind.

You want to be angry, direct it at the people making the sale, not the people making the purchase. So many people being so damn childish. Please grow up.

What you don't seem to get is people who support this shady double-dipping practice (either through cash shop or through paying out the rear for weddings) are essentially encouraging this sort of behavior and decision-making from SE. They're saying it's okay for them to charge us for things that realistically should have been put in the game we pay 15$ a month for as well as the price of the game as in-game rewards.

Yes, people are free to do with their money what they will, but it's ridiculous to assume people won't call you out on supporting disgusting business practices.

[Folsom]

should have been put in the game we pay 15$ a month for as well as the price of the game

Just how much do you expect to get for that $15? How are you determining how much content/work that's worth?