Remove both marriage plans.

[Violyre]

Seems someone forgot most of XI's money/dev went to funding 1.0 and 2.0 >_> So yes, subscription fees can cover development costs without cash shops

At the cost of proper development to XI. And thinking about it, the first three add-on scenarios, couldn't those be considered "buying something that should've been in game by default?" No new zones, just story and items. Nothing else. I'll give Abyssea a break because it did add to the game.

[Roris]

How many years was it between Wings of the Goddess and Seekers of Adoulin again?

WotG was released in 2007. It took...two, three years for the main story to end? So let's say 2010. Then six mini-adventures that could be finished in a day if you tried to, and SoA was...2013? I forgot.

Funnily enough XIV was what caused the delay after WoTG. SoA was 2013 and even though its story just now ended it's still getting monthly updates and did so for quite a while after the expansion launched once they sorted the team reshuffle.

Seems someone forgot most of XI's money/dev went to funding 1.0 and 2.0 >_> So yes, subscription fees can cover development costs without cash shops

This is true, they've stated before in interviews how FFXI has been their most profitable Final Fantasy game ever and was one of the main sources of funding for a lot of their projects.

[Obysuca]

Just look at SE's own XI, still P2P after all these years and still consistently producing monthly updates, not just every 3-4 months like ARR. Granted a big chunk of those updates are tweaks and additions to existing content

Sad part is, I still get more excited over XI's monthly updates than I do over the "big" 3 month ones XIV gets lol

[Rose-Wild]

My Slepnir, Wind-up Y'shtola, Yda, and Papalymo say hi.

We've already had this same discussion in regards to the cash shop release. No one cares anymore. This'll be blown over in less than a month.

Of course everyone treats this like it'll kill the game. Just like letting Coil 1 and 2 be added to duty finder did, just like when they added ilvl, and my favorite, just like the removal of the bees in Amdapor Keep.

Also, if my post was dumb, then yours is irrational.

Your ignorance says hi not your items. I Pity you.

[Silversnow]

Exactly. We are PAYING for it already. Why do we have to pay twice? I have NO problem buying this stuff in F2P games. I don't mind giving devs of F2P games money for vanity, wedding, etc and I have in the past, because its a nice way to say thank you for the game as I don't pay a sub.

With this, well this is just a HUGE disappointment.

Actually no. Most game cash shop items are priced to pay back the development costs + profit. So SE fronts the money to develop the cash shop item totally (usually) separate from XIV's costs. They sell their item and get paid back plus profits which in turn they may increase funding of cash shop items AND xiv due to the increase of revenue attributed to the game.

[Antonius2004]

It'd be a real problem on SE's part if it were just one option for the Eternal Bonding system, but there are three and one of them is free, the other two are just bundled with unnecessary vanity extra's, so there's no real need for idiots to be in an uproar over it.

Again it's just vanity, hell, the whole marriage system itself is vanity. Be thankful for it rather than complain or, if you're like me, don't use it at all.

[Edeline]

Again it's just vanity, hell, the whole marriage system itself is vanity. Be thankful for it rather than complain or, if you're like me, don't use it at all.

However, not everyone is like you. People play games for different reasons. They're just dividing content even more, forgeting what games are for.

[Jacost]

None of this is pay-to-win. Yes, it was a dick move on SE's part to keep the multiple plans thing a secret until two weeks before the patch hit, but everything you get for extra money is just flashy shiny stuff that confers no mechanical advantage.

And if SE is reading this, if they are planning to have a cash wall for Gold Saucer and/or Triple Triad, please give us more than 2 weeks notice about it!

[Violyre]

Your ignorance says hi not your items. I Pity you.

Pity me? I pity your lack of a proper rebuttal to my argument.

Anyways, my statement stands. I am not paying to win, and if SE even considers the idea of paying for an advantage in FFXIV, I'm outtie.

I also support cash-shops as long as they don`t:

1.- Sell exclusives that SHOULD be ingame, for example, Sleepnir Mount which should be rewarded for Odin`s Trial and not be a Cash Shop item. The whole eternal bonding fiasco we are seeing right now.
2.- Don`t separate content into "free content" and "paid content". It destroys the sense of a P2P game, is almost like having premium subscriptions (access to all content) and regular ones (limited content).
3.- Sticks to glamour only and paid services as retainers, name changes and fantasias. Minions, haircuts, even new tatoos, they all could go in a Cash Shop.

And the problem right now, are the points 1 and 2. All the items and services that come from Eternal Bonding should be into the game, with no transcations whatsoever. And the separation of said content has just turned Eternal Bond into a cheap, unappealing, incomplete system that feels wrong and cut, and literally what we could even call a DLC.

You support cash shops? congratulations, so do i, but i guess our standards are diferent. Players deserve better than this.

I apologize for my assumption then. The thing is, your argument collapses on itself. You only support vanity in cash shops, but you don't think that another vanity should be in there. Mounts are vanity. We didn't need more than a chocobo. The only thing that I have that could counter the Slepnir would also invalidate the thought that it should be an Odin drop, because Slepnir is Odin's mount, and should stay that way. What if they made cash shop Slepnir plaid and give the current to Odin? Then it'd be an argument on why SHOULD I buy instead of "this should be this way."

[Mogi]

Put all the features in both plans, mount and dress options on the same plan and call it Eternal Bonding. No paywalls, no player segregation, no cheap moneygrab. Give us the content we are paying for already.

If your in it for the Marriage then it's free have fun if you want more like mount and stuff you pay. To bad there's a cash shop SE will use it and some will use it others will vent