Remove both marriage plans.

[Obysuca]

the cash shop isn't used to restrict your inventory, your ability to craft, your ability to access the maps at a reasonable price, it doesn't give you over-powered items or buffs, and it doesn't feel in any way, shape, or form like it's pay to win.

Not yet it doesn't, give it time and you'll be paying to do simple things that should already be in game. I can promise you, they're eventually going to skimp on actual content and focus more on "we could make X in game or we can charge players Y to do it!" resulting in updates giving less than what we get already and the majority placed into the cash shop. Two reused dungeons, a new one and some endgame is about what we get now. Just imagine, 1-2 reused dungeons, but have to pay for the 3rd one. Want to unlock expert? Pay 10.00 to get the dungeon. Want to get new crafting gear? Sure, you can make 4/5 of the items, but the 5th one will cost you 5.00

Not going to lie, I have this horrible feeling since they said something about "getting drk if you order the expansion" turning into "if you didn't pre-order the CE, you have to pay 50.00 for drk"

[Violyre]

Not yet it doesn't, give it time and you'll be paying to do simple things that should already be in game

[SamRosen]

Not yet it doesn't, give it time and you'll be paying to do simple things that should already be in game

Well, if they ever do that THEN I'll complain. I have faith in Yoshi P to not do that since he's done nothing but amazing things for the game so far, is an avid MMO enthusiast/gamer himself, and that he wants this game to not be "Pay to Win" and is a big advocate of that fact.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Well, completely ignoring the White Knights who would support SE if they added a subscription fee to mogstation to be able to pay your subcription fee to the game.

Thank you very much to everyone which has supported this. We as players, deserve far better than this. Devs have to see how "spliting" content into free and paid services just ruins it for everyone. The free service even if is still there just doesn`t feel right, it feels like is cheap, incomplete, not the whole experience, and having to paid for things that should be in that experience feels pretty much like buying DLC in a full price title which even has subscription.

THIS. IS. WRONG.

[Violyre]

Well, if they ever do that THEN I'll complain. I have faith in Yoshi P to not do that since he's done nothing but amazing things for the game so far, is an avid MMO enthusiast/gamer himself, and that he wants this game to not be "Pay to Win" and is a big advocate of that fact.

Exactly. If it goes P2W, I'm out. That's why I'm not touching WoW again. I will fully support all anti-P2W as it comes. Right now, it's not a thing. It's just trinkets and baubles.

Well, completely ignoring the White Knights who would support SE if they added a subscription fee to to be able to pay your subcription fee to the game.

This is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard from an anti-cashshopper and you should be ashamed for thinking some of us don't have standards.

[Roris]

You ARE aware that your subscription fee doesn't cover developments costs forever right?

You are aware that subscription fees can indeed cover development costs without cash shops right? Just look at SE's own XI, still P2P after all these years and still consistently producing monthly updates, not just every 3-4 months like ARR. Granted a big chunk of those updates are tweaks and additions to existing content, but still, even with their sub 500k subscribers they can still stay afloat and develop new content it. As far as I'm aware Dragon Quest X, another SE MMO, also doesn't have a cash shop and is still doing well with constant updates, with a subscriber base limited to Japan only.

WoW too is still P2P and the only reason it has a cash shop is because they're owned by Blizzard and trying to make as much money as they can is what they do best, not just because their 10 million subscribers aren't enough to fund their development costs. SE aren't the first ones to try to pull a Blizzard either, and won't be the last to fail and lose more than they could have gained, until the eventual F2P switch that is.

[NoF2P]

Well, if they ever do that THEN I'll complain. I have faith in Yoshi P to not do that since he's done nothing but amazing things for the game so far, is an avid MMO enthusiast/gamer himself, and that he wants this game to not be "Pay to Win" and is a big advocate of that fact.

Yoshi P's job is to make the game appealing. It's someone else's job to monetise it.

[Violyre]

Words

How many years was it between Wings of the Goddess and Seekers of Adoulin again?

WotG was released in 2007. It took...two, three years for the main story to end? So let's say 2010. Then six mini-adventures that could be finished in a day if you tried to, and SoA was...2013? I forgot.

[Obysuca]

How many years was it between Wings of the Goddess and Seekers of Adoulin again?

Seems someone forgot most of XI's money/dev went to funding 1.0 and 2.0 >_> So yes, subscription fees can cover development costs without cash shops

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

This is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard from an anti-cashshopper and you should be ashamed for thinking some of us don't have standards.

I also support cash-shops as long as they don`t:

1.- Sell exclusives that SHOULD be ingame, for example, Sleepnir Mount which should be rewarded for Odin`s Trial and not be a Cash Shop item. The whole eternal bonding fiasco we are seeing right now.
2.- Don`t separate content into "free content" and "paid content". It destroys the sense of a P2P game, is almost like having premium subscriptions (access to all content) and regular ones (limited content).
3.- Sticks to glamour only and paid services as retainers, name changes and fantasias. Minions, haircuts, even new tatoos, they all could go in a Cash Shop.

And the problem right now, are the points 1 and 2. All the items and services that come from Eternal Bonding should be into the game, with no transcations whatsoever. And the separation of said content has just turned Eternal Bond into a cheap, unappealing, incomplete system that feels wrong and cut, and literally what we could even call a DLC.

You support cash shops? congratulations, so do i, but i guess our standards are diferent. Players deserve better than this.