T9 is solo-cueable on DF now right?

[Zedd702]

I cleared turn 6 in duty finder, multiple times. Currently at about a 50% success rate. The failed runs come from people rage quitting because they rush in and don't make it clear to everyone what's going on. Then they throw a fit because people didn't know what to do. If you are going to queue up for 2nd coil in DF, you have to expect there will be first timers or at least people that don't have experience in all phases. I still don't understand why the elitists, with their low tolerance for failure, would queue up in DF. If they aren't going to accept failure, then they should stick with PF where they can have their "1 fail = kick/blacklist" requirements.

People need a chance to learn. Not everyone learns at the same pace. I think I've had 1 turn 6 DF run where we nailed it on the first try. All the other clears had wipes. After each wipe, we discussed the problems, people learned and we eventually won.

Word!


This happens quite alot. I remember lots of DF EX primal fights and the few coil I DF'd where I'd run into elitists that assumed everyone knows what to do. And in certain instances where I know the fight, I STILL ask the party before we begin (whether the soldiery message pops up or not) "Does everyone know what to do? Have you seen a guide? Have fight xp? or need direction?

The elitist (which usually are fairly easy to spot, basically the person that dismisses my questions before we proceed, says this is easy, then they pull, we wipe, they call everyone noobs and never take any fault for pulling when the team is not ready).

[SarcasmMisser]

I cleared turn 6 in duty finder, multiple times. Currently at about a 50% success rate. The failed runs come from people rage quitting because they rush in and don't make it clear to everyone what's going on. Then they throw a fit because people didn't know what to do. If you are going to queue up for 2nd coil in DF, you have to expect there will be first timers or at least people that don't have experience in all phases. I still don't understand why the elitists, with their low tolerance for failure, would queue up in DF. If they aren't going to accept failure, then they should stick with PF where they can have their "1 fail = kick/blacklist" requirements.

People need a chance to learn. Not everyone learns at the same pace. I think I've had 1 turn 6 DF run where we nailed it on the first try. All the other clears had wipes. After each wipe, we discussed the problems, people learned and we eventually won.

All my wipes were due to awful DPS. Seriously I had a smn that never used bio or bio 2, and his opener was 8 ruin 2 in a row. People got giddy with joy that SCoB is some pug derpfest now and truly awful players are queuing and failing DPS checks with echo and 2.4 gear, it's really funny to watch. People are still going to be stuck on this and only prove that the easier you make something, the worse people will play.

Also i'll add, I have no expectations when I do anything in DF but that doesn't stop me from enjoying it like people enjoy watching a train wreck.

[Empressia]

So does that mean I could skip T6-8, clear T9 and move stright into T10?

I never had the chance to test the idea with T5 because I had clear the 1st 4 trying to gear up for it. But in this situation I've got full Ilvl 110 gear, colecting the 120 gear, AND my stats for Dragoon are already optomized to face T9.

So is there really any point to do T6-8 now that I can solo cue Second Coil via the DF?

Oh look another white belt newbie gatecrashing into black belt world championship tournies!

[Kaiser-Ace]

Oh look another white belt newbie gatecrashing into black belt world championship tournies!

Hey anouther example on why I don't do statics. Nice to meet you Elitest. I'm the resident Legacy Player Noob of the Dungeon forums. May we never meet in the DF.

[DarkmoonVael]

Hey anouther example on why I don't do statics. Nice to meet you Elitest. I'm the resident Legacy Player Noob of the Dungeon forums. May we never meet in the DF.

Empressia actually has a very valid point, but maybe not articulated/elaborated it properly. Yes, you can go staight to turn 9, but you will miss out on the skills/experience gained from doing turns 6-8 many many many times. Learning how to react properly in those turns will give you far more chance to pass turn 9 than being full i100 without that experience.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Empressia actually has a very valid point, but maybe not articulated/elaborated it properly. Yes, you can go staight to turn 9, but you will miss out on the skills/experience gained from doing turns 6-8 many many many times. Learning how to react properly in those turns will give you far more chance to pass turn 9 than being full i100 without that experience.

I know I lvl 100+ didn't help me even a little in T5. As far as skill goes, I can never tell if it's me or not. Peope yell "Watch the vids Noob!" and no video made ever uses the stratagy that's being used. Having no FC and by extention no static means I might as well forget about coil and finish my other classes.

[Garlyle]

If there aren't PF up for what you want to do, set one up yourself.

And yes technically you can DF into Turn 9. Good luck actually getting a clear that way. I won't doubt it can happen - I've done T6/7 in DF (but those are comparatively vastly simpler), and I know EX Primals (including Thornmarch which can be a nightmare) have been cleared in DF... but it's extremely unlikely simply due to the frequency with which you will get people who are clueless.

If you're "not sure if it's me or not", it's probably you. When you know the fight well enough to understand properly what's going on you'll be able to tell when you're screwing it up or not. Turn 6+ all require a lot of knowledge on top of being good at your class; Turn 9 in particular is like five completely separate fights with several ways for everyone to die because one person screwed up.

As for videos? Yeah, maybe the exact strategy has changed, but you know what? If you actually understand the fight's mechanics, you can adapt very very easily to whatever new strategy is being proposed when you ask your team 'how are we handling this'. Use videos as a launching point to get an idea of what these things look like and what might be expected of you. They're no substitute for firsthand experience, but they do make a drastic difference in how quickly you'll learn.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Can I ask why so many people are willing to experience endgame content but at the same time are reticent to join FC and / or statics?

I keep seeing people like that on the forums and I honestly don't understand.

[Garlyle]

Can I ask why so many people are willing to experience endgame content but at the same time are reticent to join FC and / or statics?

I keep seeing people like that on the forums and I honestly don't understand.

In my case, I'm not part of a static because my job hours are wholly unpredictable, and for a lot of people that's what real life looks like. It's not that there aren't times to play, but having those times line up in a predictable manner is another issue entirely.

For FCs, there's usually two types. One type of FC is super relaxed and casual and can be full of perfectly competent players - but chances are only a handful are even pushing second coil and most EX Primals, nevermind final/savage coils, and if they are it's with a static with people outside the FC (This is my FC). The other type are endgame focused but are usually an FC solely dedicated to that - and you'll get dropped the moment you're no longer able to meet static hours or not up to snuff in performance etc., which is just an environment a lot of people don't like being in the rest of the time they're not endgame raiding (These are the FCs I've seen many more hardcore friends on other servers deal with)

[Grayve]

In my case, I'm not part of a static because my job hours are wholly unpredictable, and for a lot of people that's what real life looks like. It's not that there aren't times to play, but having those times line up in a predictable manner is another issue entirely.

For FCs, there's usually two types. One type of FC is super relaxed and casual and can be full of perfectly competent players - but chances are only a handful are even pushing second coil and most EX Primals, nevermind final/savage coils, and if they are it's with a static with people outside the FC (This is my FC). The other type are endgame focused but are usually an FC solely dedicated to that - and you'll get dropped the moment you're no longer able to meet static hours or not up to snuff in performance etc., which is just an environment a lot of people don't like being in the rest of the time they're not endgame raiding (These are the FCs I've seen many more hardcore friends on other servers deal with)

Nicely said. It's this way for many people, including myself.