Relics coming to an end?

[Illya]

They made the Relic quest a succession of increasingly ridiculous grinds. If they don't reset it and start over in Heavensward, new players will literally never be able to catch up.

[AckersFury]

They made the Relic quest a succession of increasingly ridiculous grinds. If they don't reset it and start over in Heavensward, new players will literally never be able to catch up.

Why do new players need to catch up, the relic isn't the best weapon in the game, its a glorified glamour piece, that isn't how mmo's work, you can't just drag everyone back to zero so the new kids don't feel left out, that's idiotic...the players who were there from the start and who have put the work in deserve to be infront, nerf the past content down a bit for them, but don't serve them stuff on a freaking platter

[Krr]

Why do new players need to catch up, the relic isn't the best weapon in the game, its a glorified glamour piece,

Novus made it the second-best-in-slot weapon for anyone willing to invest the money in melding it that way, and the only exception is 2.4 with poetics weapons, which require 3 weeks of lockouts to get plus who knows how many more weeks of lockouts to make the upgrade.

Relics are actually literally the best starter weapons you can take into current Coil and will remain your best weapon for weeks unless you get extremely lucky with loot, and the next patch will make them even more competitive.

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Why do new players need to catch up, the relic isn't the best weapon in the game, its a glorified glamour piece, that isn't how mmo's work, you can't just drag everyone back to zero so the new kids don't feel left out, that's idiotic...the players who were there from the start and who have put the work in deserve to be infront, nerf the past content down a bit for them, but don't serve them stuff on a freaking platter

I don't see the problem. You'll have a glorified glamour piece that none of the newbies have regardless if the relic quest continues into Heavensward. I doubt many people would want to backtrack for 2.0 relic when 3.0 relic can be had. Because of this, 2.0 relics could actually be more rare and have more value as glamour piece since only certain few who played 2.0 put the time in to get it. SE does this already with raid content so I don't see why they wouldn't extend it to relic weapons.

[Damane]

Why do new players need to catch up, the relic isn't the best weapon in the game, its a glorified glamour piece, that isn't how mmo's work, you can't just drag everyone back to zero so the new kids don't feel left out, that's idiotic...the players who were there from the start and who have put the work in deserve to be infront, nerf the past content down a bit for them, but don't serve them stuff on a freaking platter

FFXI would like a word with you. puting relics to rest is the best imho that could happen. I have 4 mythics 2 relics in FF11. not puting the legendary weapons to rest in FF11 was the dumbest decision ever and impacted the game in a very very very bad way. As much as i loved my weapons in 11, afterwards i think those weapons should have never stayed relevant for this long (and still are BiS). It demotivates any returning player because they are becomeing the standart requirment for you to get slots in endgame.

the gap between a group in FFXI sporting 6 mythics vs a group sporting normal weapons is so big, that every content designed is just easy and boring for the myth group and challenging for the normal weapon group. Trust me puting legendary weapons to rest is one of the best decisions they could do for the entire playerbase.

[Vorpal_Spork]

Why do new players need to catch up, the relic isn't the best weapon in the game, its a glorified glamour piece, that isn't how mmo's work, you can't just drag everyone back to zero so the new kids don't feel left out, that's idiotic...the players who were there from the start and who have put the work in deserve to be infront, nerf the past content down a bit for them, but don't serve them stuff on a freaking platter

Agreed. I'm a new player myself. I don't need pity relics handed to me. I'm working on my atmas for my white mage staff right now and I'm more than half way done. I'm catching up just fine on my own.

[Nalien]

I really don't see anything wrong with new players looking at veterans and seeing 'One of the fabled relic weapons' and going "I'll never be able to get that". That just means they'll become actual relics, rather than something literally everyone has.

The relic quest is just going to get easier anyway. The only real issue I see left with the quest is Materia... Wouldn't it be weird if Level 60 gear yields either IV or V Materia, causing IV to crash in price? Everything else is just a perfectly manageable grind. People already have Yoshimitsu Animus/Novus/Nexus after all.

[Ophie-Mio]

They made the Relic quest a succession of increasingly ridiculous grinds. If they don't reset it and start over in Heavensward, new players will literally never be able to catch up.

This is the silliest misconception of all time.
I started this game when Novus older content. I leveled and caught up and am working on Nexus now. There are so many other players out there who catch up. This disgusting nonsense of new players not catching up is ridiculous. There are many different ways to prepare for your grind such as doing the expert roulette daily for Alexandrite. By the time I had my animus, I just had to meld the Novus to get it since I had collected the alexandrite.

Everything else is just a perfectly manageable grind. People already have Yoshimitsu Animus/Novus/Nexus after all.

Exactly. So many people out there think that it's impossible just because they hear stories of how it was for the original people going through it. It's not hard anymore nor such a crazy grindfest. Some people can actually catch up regardless of nerfs.
News flash: It's called effort.

If they make it so that these weapons don't have anything at all to do with relic 3.0 weapons, I'm not bothering. What a way to reward my grind and efforts to catch up to the other players who had them. Those relics will just be obsolete. Just invest in whatever time it takes to get the endgame drops since that's where SE is putting their money.

[Krr]

This is the silliest misconception of all time.
There are many different ways to prepare for your grind such as doing the expert roulette daily for Alexandrite. By the time I had my animus, I just had to meld the Novus to get it since I had collected the alexandrite.

You cannot do Morbid Motivation without first obtaining at least one Relic Animus to unlock One Man's Trash. Alt relics should not enter a conversation of what playing the game is like for newbies.

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So Ophie its basically ok that SE does a hard reset on all gear including coil gear (which also takes awhile to get before its put into df) but, relic weapons should be the only exclusion to this rule? Pretty sure SE wants all the new content to be accessible to new players without them having to backtrack through previous content to eventually caught up to the 2.0 players. I understand you all put a lot of time to get your relics but, SE has to cater to their bottom line and making the game completely accessible to new expansion players feeds into that.