2.4 SMN Class Issues

[Sleigh]

Well I am was iLVL 113 with HA staff and no pentamelded gear either. So I can probably push it to around 450-460 with 130 staff and a bit more gear. Obviously some more experience would be great too. Not sure if Selene was there too and I don't get Battlevoiced Requiems. I am going to try and record our kill next week, Sleigh. Any chance of you looking at it and give me some hints? Also, I use a controller but it's not an obstacle at all.

Don't stack for P1 Wild Charges. Training dummy it.
End all rotations with Flare on the adds. If no pot/Convert, use Transpose > T2 on the set that dies second and continue on your way.
If you have to LB3, do a rotation into Flare > Transpose > LB3. You have time. It won't be long until gear forces people to skip LB3 in the add phase altogether, even my group with only some i130 weapons and pieces doesn't get LB3 until into the second wave of adds in the second set of adds.
Fireweave any time you have to move. AM is risky, I don't mess with it in T10. Ideally you don't want to be someone who is on tethers in Tether > charge but I am, which is a DPS loss, but I do the call outs so I just suck it up and manually run up if I have nothing stored.

I could easily see a BLM in a far better situation than me (2 BRDs for more Foe's and/or SMN doing LB3, never doing tethers if they can help it, good procs, never getting captured for Wild Charge) doing above 500 in i110 + i115 weapon. The fight's more or less training dummy with a bit of RNG. With one BRD, however, Foe's isn't played often, so that's a downer.

[ViviAnimus]

Cheers mate

[OneWingedSora]

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Sorry but, there's no way you did 500 DPS without mana support and an i110 weapon. I did everything perfectly in that fight, have an I115 weapon and came out at 450. Granted, our bard doesn't play ballad on T10, but even with ballad it would probably be close to 480 or so and that's with an I115 weapon.

[SinSaberius]

Honestly, ive heard it all. No offense but indeed 500dps is way to high,
i feel 450 for a SMN is already to high on T10. It might be that you parse the fight differently then me,
but i am the only Caster in our group ( 2x BRD 1x PLD 1x WAR 1xWHM 1x SCH 1xMNK + SMN)
Not the ideal setup, but we make it work, i keep up 420 dps and 500 burst,
Then at the moment i need to LB i lose most of the DPS right there.

Again, this might be that you people parse this way differently, or claim your burst dps is your actual dps. (or have someone else LB)
Either way, i think some people are full of crap, No offense.

[Judge_Xero]

Sorry but, there's no way you did 500 DPS without mana support and an i110 weapon. I did everything perfectly in that fight, have an I115 weapon and came out at 450. Granted, our bard doesn't play ballad on T10, but even with ballad it would probably be close to 480 or so and that's with an I115 weapon.

You are right. I did some more parses on T10 without Garuda's damage being automatically added to mine and it was lower. It was adding almost exactly 60 DPS to my total. Sorry for the misinformation. I've never run into that before other than when another Garuda was in the party.


Also, I did record some video's but it only recorded my game and not the overlay windows with DPS.

[Sparktacus]

Such an excellent post OP. I really hope the dev's listen. the Spell Speed issue particularly infuriates me to no end.

[Lamia-Blackheart]

Honestly, ive heard it all.

Either way, i think some people are full of crap, No offense.

I agree. Waaaay too much BS being thrown around.

People are claiming 450-500 when the only actual clear videos ive seen that have dps # and a summoner in the group, the best smn are pulling 429 max on t10 and 11 with 401 max on t12. Lots of claims of higher numbers but no videos to back them up.

This is after hearing weeks of "oh with the adds in t10/11/12 summoner should be hitting 500 dps easily. Probably close to 700 during the adds phases."

for those of you that want to see the best numbers on film that i've found so far, check out http://www.twitch.tv/crimmmd/profile

[ViviAnimus]

You can do a lot more than 401 on T12. Someone in my guild does around 430. T12 is a Summoner friendly fight since you can bane the bennus and also bane the adds in other phases.

[SinSaberius]

You can do a lot more than 401 on T12. Someone in my guild does around 430. T12 is a Summoner friendly fight since you can bane the bennus and also bane the adds in other phases.

Yes, T12. But T10 isnt 500dps or 450.

[Lamia-Blackheart]

You can do a lot more than 401 on T12. Someone in my guild does around 430. T12 is a Summoner friendly fight since you can bane the bennus and also bane the adds in other phases.

im sure its possible since 401 isnt super high. do you have a video though?