History of the Gunner job.

[Freyt]

So I've just noticed that Vincent has a golden gauntlet (and toe shoe things!) and one of his guns is a golden gun.

And Vincent WAS popular enough to get his own game. Plus he was agent-y at one point as a Turk. Plus he only uses one gun (hinted at Yoshida's poses).

[Kuwagami]

Well, now that everyone's expecting Healer, they could make whatever is the gun-using class a DPS and still get away with saying it's something nobody ever expected.

people are expecting healer now BECAUSE of that quote though. I don't think they would go all the trouble of double layering it just for the sake of hiding a dps class. That and people still expecting musketeer when it's more and more obvious it won't come in the near future (already 3 classes in Limsa, so balance is made between each city state for now, various hints for it NOT being musketeer, etc etc...).


Freyt's idea sounds a nice idea for a new class and concept, though I don't know how the whole "transform" thing might work

[Alukah]

Well, if you ignore airships, if you start the game in Gridania, the only way to unlock any of the classes in Limsa Lominsa or Ul'dah requires traveling through level 30+ zones (South Shroud and Eastern Thanalan).

But we don't have to ignore airships. If SE wants to base the new jobs in Ishgard, and they want level 10 players to be able to unlock these new jobs, all they have to do is provide airship service. Easy peasy - just talk to the Airship ticketer, grab your ticket to Ishgard, and off you go!

But those three city states have low level zones right outside their doors, unless you mean we would travel back and forth through airship between Ishgard and one of the city states, which I'd find extremely odd, might as well add the npc to the city state and cut off all traveling.

(but again this thread is about gunner, not DRK)

[Lucke]

Even though it's a fantasy setting, I just can't get behind the idea of shooting someone to heal them, even with "magic" bullets. I just don't understand that. And Chemists won't exist here unless they go by some other name since the game already includes AlCHEMIST. They'd have to rename Alchemist or call Chemist something different.

And to be honest, we already have a crapton of DPS, we don't need more. Need tanks and healers more than yet another DPS.

Ishgard could have a basement level that acts as the noobie zone. Coerthas doesn't have to change. Or maybe, maybe the other sections of Coerthas open up revealing lowbie enemies.

[Kuwagami]

Even though it's a fantasy setting, I just can't get behind the idea of shooting someone to heal them, even with "magic" bullets. I just don't understand that. And Chemists won't exist here unless they go by some other name since the game already includes AlCHEMIST. They'd have to rename Alchemist or call Chemist something different.

except alchemist and chemist don't have anything in common except a part of the name. And well, if it's really chemist, it will use potions (not items, but skills or whatever) and not the gun to heal. Just like a WHM doesn't heal you by hammering you with his staff.

As for "magic" bullets, if you have a "cure" bullet somehow, it would just throw a cure to someone, not a bullet with curing abilities.

[Cenebi]

except alchemist and chemist don't have anything in common except a part of the name. And well, if it's really chemist, it will use potions (not items, but skills or whatever) and not the gun to heal. Just like a WHM doesn't heal you by hammering you with his staff.

As for "magic" bullets, if you have a "cure" bullet somehow, it would just throw a cure to someone, not a bullet with curing abilities.

I actually really like the idea of a Chemist that throws "potions" to heal people at a TP cost rather than MP cost (though I'm not sure how they would balance that) as a DoW healer. Ideally, I'd like it to be the gun class, but who knows.

If they do end up going with Gun Mage I seriously hope they just call it Blue Mage and give it a gun. I've always hated the name Gun Mage, it sounds like something a 13 year old inventing a custom DnD class would come up with.

[Mimilu]

And the reference to the old tactics series would be his appearance in the PSP remake ? Kinda hard to believe... Especially with the idea of gunner healer that many accepted due to the fact the gunner won't be what players are expecting (i.e. Musketeer, ranged dps)

When did they reference Tactics? All I've heard was that it will reference an older FF. Plus, they haven't point-blank stated that gunner is going to be a healer, we the fans made that guess when they said it wasn't going to be what we expected. Balthier does have his own move set in Revenant Wings but it's all stereotypically, ranged-fighter stuff. :B

So I've just noticed that Vincent has a golden gauntlet (and toe shoe things!) and one of his guns is a golden gun.

And Vincent WAS popular enough to get his own game. Plus he was agent-y at one point as a Turk. Plus he only uses one gun (hinted at Yoshida's poses).

James Bond doesn't use a golden gun, that's Francisco Scaramanga, the villain from The Man with the Golden Gun. Bond uses a PP7, which is black. :B

Additionally, Vincent does use a wide array of guns, both in VII and DoC (pistols, rifles, shotguns, and machine guns (this one only in DoC).

[Kuwagami]

When did they reference Tactics? All I've heard was that it will reference an older FF. Plus, they haven't point-blank stated that gunner is going to be a healer, we the fans made that guess when they said it wasn't going to be what we expected. Balthier does have his own move set in Revenant Wings but it's all stereotypically, ranged-fighter stuff. :B

It was from a non-broadcasted discussion with fans at the London's FanFest, the healer is (most certainly) coming from tactics. Then, as "gunner isn't what people expect" (ranged dps musketeer) and only healer has been announced along with DRK as a tank, well... conclusions, conclusions

(yeah it's not like 100% confirmed and no official word is going to come before Dec. 20th, but that's the best shot so far as far as I know)

[Felis]

Don't forget that Gunner can be just the literaly translated name of the class.
Like Marauder is something like Axe Fighter in japanese, or Gladiator is Sword Fighter.
It can be that Gunner is the japanese name and Musketeer the english name.

[Edeline]

Even though it's a fantasy setting, I just can't get behind the idea of shooting someone to heal them, even with "magic" bullets. I just don't understand that. And Chemists won't exist here unless they go by some other name since the game already includes AlCHEMIST.

You don't have to use your weapons to heal. You use your own magic. You don't see scholars smacking people around with their books or white mages beating people as if they were baseball balls with their staves to heal them, right? Guns could just happen to be their offensive mode.