Locked out of the Duty Finder.

[NyarukoW]

Clearly you don't understand the internet very well if you think people won't wait 20 minutes to troll the DF.

And how many times can they try to do that? 3 times and they are stuck with a 30 minute lock out. All this hypothetical what ifs, trolls, etc. is utter nonsense. They can get maybe 1 person every 90 minutes, not exactly lots of lulz. And then they earn themselves a blacklist and maybe even a GM report. Good luck keeping that up for very long.

Have I got a strike, yes, because people are still learning the new rules. Have I been locked out for 30 minutes, nope. When I get the strike, I tell the people from my FC, my party, or whoever else not to do that, and they don't and they probably won't do it again either. And everyone else should be doing the same, the social reinforcement from collective penalty is making this known to all very quickly. The ready check is used a lot more now, and queues are much smoother now. Click commence and go. The only time I've seen DF fishing trolling is right before the reset. Trolls will be trolls, but they are not stupid and they will troll only the easy stuff. Click commence 15 times to get into ST is only happening like at 5 minutes before the penalty reset.

[Tiggy]

All this hypothetical what ifs, trolls, etc. is utter nonsense.

You're utter dismissal of everyone's concerns is nonsense. People will troll even if its just once a day so they don't get the penalty. Some don't even care and will gladly penalize themselves 3 times to screw with other people. If you want people to take you seriously you should start taking other people a little more seriously. You're always so dismissive of everyone else's viewpoints and concerns. I don't know why you feel the need this many pages in to continue to brow beat every new poster over the head with the same argument you made 20 pages ago. People know what you think. You've made it very clear. You literally gain nothing by telling every new poster how wrong they are. Let people express their opinions and move on with your life. You're just trolling every single person who posts in this thread and are continuously dismissive of any dissenting opinion.

You're opinion isn't the only correct one. Let people post their opinions so square can see them and move on. Your opinion has been well noted and you're clearly not changing any minds.

[Illya]

If anyone from the Community team is even still reading this thread, I hope they keep the DF lockout penalty exactly as it is right now for when Final CT is released in patch 2.5. It will actually be fun to queue for Final CT, something which used to be a hassle and aggravation until the DF lockout penalty was implemented.

[Quade]

Same issue with us, 4 members in our FC, cueing up for Pretorium, and getting lockout cus some other person not of our party is withdrawing,

this IS a bug, cus we should not be penalized, in fact, I had ALREADY clicked commence and yet got locked out, how is that right? It's not, so, it's broken, so it needs to be fixed.

[Zorch]

Everyone shouldn't be penalized because others want to be trolls. Its not right. I'm trying to complete the main storyline and I can't because someone is being immature. The lockout is being abused. If SE can't make it so only the person who withdrew is penalized then it should be removed. It cannot stay like this, SE cannot afford to have a vital feature of the game hijacked like this. Fix it or remove it. If it stays and SE does do anything to prevent this then FFXIV will die very quickly,.

[NyarukoW]

...and getting lockout cus some other person not of our party is withdrawing,
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People not in you party can not withdraw for you and give you a penalty. When you queue for ST you will likely get 1 or 2 withdraw from people not your party and you will get no strikes or get locked out. Someone in your party is lying to cover their butts and pretending it is a bug.

.. If it stays and SE does do anything to prevent this then FFXIV will die very quickly,.

This is just a hyperbole. If the DF abusers, fishers, and trolls are all gone, it will be a happy day in Eorzea, but the fact of the matter is they are all still here, just that they can't make nearly at the amount of trouble they used to do as far as the DF queuing is concerned. It has been a great improvement. But for giggles try queuing ST right before the daily reset, you will get 15 withdraws before you commence. The trolls will troll because they can, and they will abuse anything they can get to.

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...Let people express their opinions ... are continuously dismissive of any dissenting opinion.

I never tell anyone to shut up. They can come up with all sorts of nonsensical excuses and hypotheticals which do not hold water in realistic use cases. It like the global warming deniers coming up with bogus misinterpretation of localized events that have no basis. I am only demonstrating that these odd ball corner cases are not justification to remove the penalty or the collective penalty. They can come up with even more strange and less likely events and there will be no end to them, just like there is no end to the digits of pi, but whatever they think they added, is just an order of magnitude less significant, just like the millionth and 1st digit of pi. All it shows is the creativity of trolls trying to game the system.

[Ashkendor]

Same issue with us, 4 members in our FC, cueing up for Pretorium, and getting lockout cus some other person not of our party is withdrawing,

this IS a bug, cus we should not be penalized, in fact, I had ALREADY clicked commence and yet got locked out, how is that right? It's not, so, it's broken, so it needs to be fixed.

Someone outside of your party can't get you a penalty. If you got one, someone in your party withdrew.

Everyone shouldn't be penalized because others want to be trolls. Its not right. I'm trying to complete the main storyline and I can't because someone is being immature. The lockout is being abused. If SE can't make it so only the person who withdrew is penalized then it should be removed. It cannot stay like this, SE cannot afford to have a vital feature of the game hijacked like this. Fix it or remove it. If it stays and SE does do anything to prevent this then FFXIV will die very quickly,.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. How is the lockout "being abused"? If you're in a party with someone that withdraws from the queue twice, then you should probably not queue with them again.

The alarmist statement tacked onto the end doesn't exactly help you gain credibility here.

[Zumi]

SE you should not penalize your players for withdrawing or missing a queue. It is very unnecessary and turns off players. The penalty for being afk should be you missed your queue and have to wait again. You should use the system that Blizzard uses in wow its very similar to the frontlines system that is already in place in FFXIV.

Everyone who hit commence is enters in the dungeon no matter what. Say if you had 22/24 on CT, 1 person withdrew and 1 was afk. Those 22 people are sent in the zone and the 2 are filled with the in progress feature which you make mandatory like frontlines. There problem solved with little or no penalties.

[NyarukoW]

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Everyone who hit commence is enters in the dungeon no matter what. Say if you had 22/24 on CT, 1 person withdrew and 1 was afk. Those 22 people are sent in the zone and the 2 are filled with the in progress....

And aliance C is has lost both tanks. Good luck making progress in CT. Better yet it is a 4-man and you and the other dps are the lonely pair in dungeon. The tank and healer just fishing and trolling the DF just wasted your queue time. Woo Hoo. This will work out great!

And don't tell me this won't happen. People with be on voice chat with their friends and timing the queue pops so that can DF into the same instance so that they can help their friends and get the daily bonus and game the commendations all at the same time. The incentive to game the system and take for granted all the other players is already all there. The penalty for withdraw is long overdue.

[Zumi]

And aliance C is has lost both tanks. Good luck making progress in CT. Better yet it is a 4-man and you and the other dps are the lonely pair in dungeon. The tank and healer just fishing and trolling the DF just wasted your queue time. Woo Hoo. This will work out great!

Have you played a game that has this system in place? Well I have and it works great.