So Second Coil has been destroyed

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Actually no one has the eye-hand coordination. There is not a single group of player, all new to T5,T9,or T13 that can one-shot the thing on their very first try relying only on eye-hand coordination. It is not about eye hand coordination actually, it is about be people not being inclusive, but instead being deliberately unhelpful, excluding players, and all the verbal abuse that goes along with that (like lazy, spoonfed, bad, etc. which are all false for the vast majority of the players) is why there are 99% of the player base that has yet to even try T9.
SE is implementing the plan they've stated months ago and it is a smart plan to make use of existing content to make part of the learning curve. FCoB train is here to replace the spot SCoB used to take up, and in process of the making the game more accessible and inclusive. If you want that challenge and the feelings that come from that, go T10 and up.

You're still babbling about this? People have told you time and time again that your misconceptions about "pro players" are completely ridiculous.
There are plenty of helpful players around. I hardly believe you will meet any with that attitude of yours, tho.

You are the one, with your arguments, to look down at "casuals". "Casual" does not mean bad - a "casual" player can beat T9 with just a bit of effort. I am quite convinced of that. You, on the other hand, are supporting the idea that the majority of players needs an "Easy Mode" version because, for some reason, they are born unskilled.
This is not the case (not always, at least).



You should have a bit more faith in your fellow players, I think, instead of insulting their abilities.

[NyarukoW]

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You should have a bit more faith in your fellow players, I think, instead of insulting their abilities.

I do that is why I encourage people be more inclusive and help with learning parties once in a while.

I do NOT look down on any players, I even stated that terms like "bad" is inappropriate for talking about other players. Casual players are not bad either, nor are new players. You can search the thread and see that is my consistent message.

... So we go into turn 9 and one shot it with a complete turn 9 nub. Now before you say he was carried that is not the case because he did not die one time.
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Some people get all the luck. Not dying does not mean he was NOT carried, just means the rest of the player knew what they were doing and wasn't get him killed by meteors, golems, etc. Also harder than T9 is getting people that know T9, it is really good luck to run into a bunch of people that just so fits that bill. that alone means he could have been dead body carried.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I do that is why I encourage people be more inclusive and help with learning parties once in a while.

I do NOT look down on any players, I even stated that terms like "bad" is inappropriate for talking about other players. Casual players are not bad either, nor are new players. You can search the thread and see that is my consistent message.

Nope.

Terms like "bad" are not inapproriate at all. Players CAN be bad. Lots of players are bad, actually. This does not mean that they can't become good, tho. Some of them do. Some of them don't.

Those who do become good do so by watching guides, asking (and listening to) advices, learning to play their class properly, etc.
Those who don't just expect good players to "help" them by going with them in PF and killing the boss.

By supporting the nerfing of content, you are indirectly stating that the majority of players are inherently bad, and that they NEED the content nerf in order to progress.

I'd say it's a quite rude and elitist thing to say.