So Second Coil has been destroyed

[Pr0c3ss0r]

I'm curious as to what people who like T7 actually enjoyed about T7?

was not enjoyable for sure, but was a wake-up call for voice/Shreek icon check. We (as a group) become good at calling player with voice/shreek etc. It turn out very handy in Turn 9 with Thunderstruck and Garrote Twist.

But ya, i have to agree with you, it was not fun at all from start, we got used to it and it made us more alert. It was a good learning curve.

T7 took us 2 month (yes it was that terrible)
T9 took us 1 week to kill. (thanks to T7 paranoid + Name call for icon, we did not suffer very long in Phase 4 in T9, it was smooth)

For T10, it help a tons for Heat Lightning mechanic.

2 healers have to basically carry the fight

Sadly i have to disagree for that one, specially if you stack all renauld, is not that terrible for the healers. OT running all around for every ADDs pop, + hold aggro with the rush DPS was probably way harder than healer job. for MT, meh is spank and tank boss, not much to worry at all, same deal for DPS.

OT and SMN was carrying everyone in T7, at least in my opinion.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Wait, what, people are taking NyarukoW seriously?

Not really. She (or He, more likely)'s just a very fun troll, always hanging around spouting things trying to enrage people. Her usual arguments are "clear sellers" and "mysogynism".

Don't worry, she will leave as soon as she gets cornered.

I probably shouldn't bother with this, but at least I am not wasting posts on a old thread where there was no real question being asked. Just like new threads replace old ones, FCoB replaces SCoB. No need to be hung up on the old stuff.

Too bad it was not an old thread, back when you were participating in it
No biggie tho, it just shows how weak your troll-fu is.

[Vaara]

This game has been focused around casual players since launch, so I'm not sure why these changes were unexpected. The unfortunate truth is that hardcore raiders are a minority and cannot support a game by themselves any more (see: Wildstar).

[Gallus]

I really like Roris idea.

[Ghishlain]

I get 2 tanks or 2 healers from the FC to protect the 1st timers from being forced to skip cutscenes in CM and prae. Sometimes I am the one of the tanks or healers, so it we can go in with solidarity.

If you can get two tanks and two healers to help new players for CM and Prae, then I bet you can get two tanks and two healers to do Coil as well. It's a learning party for all! /partyallnightlong

[Tiggy]

Now I legitimately can't do the fights the old way since the mechanics can be largely ignored. Savage is a much larger challenge so even it's not the same. We literally can't do the same fight anymore. If it was going to be like this they should have just added a story mode.

[Leigaon]

I understand the more hardcore players who have the time to spend doing these end game events wanting a challenge. I would agree maybe the Savage Mode needs to come out along with a "normal" mode, give it the regular echo boost with the toned down damage of the mechanics and normal drop rate. I don't think there needs to be a 3rd story mode that's 3 ways for people to try to get content done. If they make a normal mode with a drop or two then both the normal and the story mode players can go in together and have those fights not just be for gear and story but also preparation for the "savage" if they choose to.

I personally haven't done anymore SCoB because it's very difficult to do it without a static sometimes. People quit, some lie and say they know..some just don't perform up to par they need to..it would become a night of wasted time and someone like me who doesn't have a lot of time I do what I can.

Give those who do Savage though, I believe they deserve something such as an extra chest / glamour / a title..something but nothing that's so major and game breaking because in the end those people are there for the challenge.

[craig_meredith2003]

And the "political" thread keeps going.

[Symbiant]

This game has been focused around casual players since launch, so I'm not sure why these changes were unexpected. The unfortunate truth is that hardcore raiders are a minority and cannot support a game by themselves any more (see: Wildstar).

Na Wildstar had a lot more probs. Hardcore was not the primary cause of its failure.

FFXI been around for 12 yrs because of hardcore.

I also think that peoples view of casual is a bit skewed and to be honest I get a bit tired of the association between lack of skill and the casual name.

Casual does not mean lack of skill it basically means they can't adhere to a specified amount of play time / schedule.

Hardcore does not mean skilled. It just means that these people have quite a bit more time to dedicate to the game and can adhere to most schedules.

An example might see someone that has every novus / nexus. That does not mean that this person is skilled and it does not mean this person is not skilled but, it does mean they have more time then most. A person that has this much time is hardcore.

You can have a casual raiding group and a hardcore raiding group. The casual raiding group could actually be more skilled then the hardcore raiding group.

So let us stop this bs about casual = lack of skill and hardcore = skill.

Maybe the forums need to make the true separation and that is separation of skill and not time.

So now have "Inept" Players and "Transcended" players. Because a hardcore can be Inept or a Transcended player and the same goes for casual.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

An example might see someone that has every novus / nexus. That does not mean that this person is skilled and it does not mean this person is not skilled but, it does mean they have more time then most.

true.dat

I lost count of all the Dragoons with Nexus spamming Ring of Thorns to do AoE damage.