Scrap the marketplace system please

[Stihllodeing]

.........I think a good portion of the community does not how to play the market properly which results in this mess of a market we have now....

This is evident by some of the ridiculous prices people charge for lower tier items. If you are going to sell HQ Fish Glue for 2000k each, I will sell a stack of five for 1995 just because. Is that undercutting? Yes. Do I feel bad about it? Not , even, a little. Just because I have the ability to control certain areas of the MB doesn't mean I'll try and hold it hostage.

That mentality is probably bad for my bottom line at times, but I think I do okay so meh.

[Chiramu]

All they have to do is make the current prices invisible and problem solved.

No, people will charge millions of gil for an easily obtainable item because they are greedy. Like the Fat Cat, 6.5 million gil on Tonberry >.>.

[Mjollnir]

I really don't get the whole "crafted gear is worthless because dungeon drops are better" perspective.

a) every single piece of crafted gear I place on the MB sells within two days, at at least 200% (sometimes stupidly higher) of the cost of the materials - that's anything from iLv 1-50. HQ mind, but if you aren't HQing your crafts you're doing it wrong (or mass-producing for desynth^).

b) I can understand why because ppl would rather use second-rate crafted gear whilst levelling so they can spiritbond it while they level and make a decent profit. If you think you need to use BiS dungeon drops from level 1-50, you probably need to address your playstyle before you worry about the injustice of the economy.

c) even post-50, players will rather use cheap crafted gear to spiritbond for materia either for gil or for their Novus when doing non-challenging activities like... well pretty much everything that's not in the last tier of the game.

[Kuwaitum]

All they have to do is make the current prices invisible and problem solved.

Definitely not! This is a free market; everyone is free to sell for what they see it fits their revenue. Even I see players charge beans for crafted items (probably leveling up), but it’s up to them to do so, I need to take it as a trader/crafter.

Seeing prices also help you to seek opportunity to Gather/Craft items that bring you profit.

In case you meant to see the price when the listing is selected, it will be more annoying IMO.

I think the current system is fine, the only change I'd make is to take out the sale history , so people couldn't see what others paid.

Definitely not! History trends will show you the real thing, on Faerie a rich player wanted to level up leatherworks, he/she bought Aldagoat skin.. all that was listed for 35 gil up to 600 gil, and only leaving the +1k gil listings on MB. Checking History will indicate that:

1. its a Single buyer, probably leveling up.
2. No real demand, since all the listings were bought from a single person.
3. Know that the 'now' price of +1k gil for Aldagoat skin is not the average (on the long run).

Just to mention; some marketplaces (GaiaOnline in my example), has a Graph for monthly & yearly prices of the items sold! and you're asking to remove last 20 hits?!

Bottom line: No Hidden Buyer names / No Hidden Prices / No Removal of History or Sale time/date

[Nicobo]

TBH, FFXI-AH will not solve any problem we usually hear in ARR, If someone will have very hard time with ARR MB,
most likely this person on FFXI-AH will not know he had been undercuttered and he had over-bidded, and frequently. ^^;

Moreover, FFXI-AH wastes a lot of time to test the lowest price, and it is easy to input wrong bid, for example, add one or some more zeros, to bid an item and ofcoz, you won the bid immediately. Even I think it is buyer own responsibility but many players will still call GM requesting for 1time restore... ^^;

Another story, in FF11 one day i bidded a belt for 25K while last sold 50K (for exmaple), then I went to level up party, and then 2 strangers popped and kept following me and asking for refund. This was one of my worst FF11 experience^^;

[tocsin]

Personally, the only way that I have learned to play the marketplace is to ply against the one thing that does NOT have an unlimited supply: Time. Items that take time to gather and craft are going to be worth more than items you can collect instantly. This is why unspoiled node items in regular demand like clusters sell, and why Demimateria sells well. people do not want to spend their time getting it, so they buy it.

I have made a mil plus in the past 24 hours, just for 8 hours of mindless mass producing and desynthing for demimateria. anyone can do that, but a lot of people don't have 8 hours to mindlessly grind a single button (actually two, but is a directional really a button?). I have a better attention span than average, which gives me an advantage.

[Sibyll]

Also there were listing fees and items expired after a week, so if you listed something very expensive and it didn't sell you'd be out a decent chunk of gil for nothing.

So wouldn't a list fee stop people from 1 gil undercutting and possibly stop people from putting expensive items up for absurd amounts (for example as a means of storing things they don't have room for). This sounds like a decent implementation. The 1 gil undercutting is quite idiotic and just encourages people to market board camp.

I'm surprised they haven't allowed you to place offers for particular items. Seeing that an item is in demand doesn't really help the seller if the price the customer is willing to pay is too low for you. Couldn't you have your retainer buy out certain items as they are put up on the board similar to how the retainer sells your items?

No it doesn't.

Crafted gear is meldable.

The best gear is crafted+meld.

Free markets work better overall to move gil around, Sorry that you can't be a gilhorder in ff14, tough luck.

Even if crafted gear were better than raid tier (which I'm pretty sure it isn't) it's not worth the absurd cost to get those over melds on ever piece. Tome gear is as good for significantly less.

[Stihllodeing]

So wouldn't a list fee stop people from 1 gil undercutting and possibly stop people from putting expensive items up for absurd amounts (for example as a means of storing things they don't have room for). This sounds like a decent implementation. The 1 gil undercutting is quite idiotic and just encourages people to market board camp...snip.....

Not for me personally. I'll just absorb the margin.

I'm leveling all my crafters at once and my highest is 36. I have to sell crap . That's just the way it is. My bread and butter right now is selling triple turn in leve items and miscellaneous HQs. I have to push quantity most of the time. The way I'm pushing product is very similar to an assembly line.

Which is why I need top paged and check the market board as soon as I log on and as soon as I log off. I buy and resell a lot on certain days, and try to gear my production towards items I can use myself worst case scenario.

I almost always undercut by 1 gil. That's respectful to me. Because of threads like this, I started to undercut by 5-10 and even 100 gil because people for some reason seem to be offended by the "1 gil undercut of douchery" (which makes zero sense to me).

I'll go back and forth all day with a product I want to push out of my extremely limited inventory space. When I lose the battle I'll either: buy and resell/take my product off for storage or use/tip my hat, bow in respect, and say to you "Well played kind sir/madam....but I'll be back".

This is business. Unadulterated, mindless, brain numbing, number crunching business. This is common in any economy.

[Sibyll]

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Undercutting by amounts that are insignificant compared to the cost of the item (ex: 500>499, or 150,000> 149,900) doesn't benefit the buyer in any way. It only benefits people that camp market boards. A simple non-refundable listing fee, based on the post price, would at least discourage this behavior.

Also I don't know what to tell you. Whenever one can level everything to 50 and gatherers get their own person nodes you are going to have a massive surplus. Unspoiled nodes are better designed in this sense because you can't mass farm them.

[Stihllodeing]

Undercutting by amounts that are insignificant compared to the cost of the item (ex: 500>499, or 150,000> 149,900) doesn't benefit the buyer in any way. It only benefits people that camp market boards. A simple non-refundable listing fee, based on the post price, would at least discourage this behavior...snip....

That's true if the behavior is immediate and temporary. If it's a lasting trend, it very well does benefit the buyer ie (50,000-->49,0000-->47,500-->45,000-->40,000-->etc). Imo, adding a relisting fee to an economy that's already established trends and behaviors will do one of two things:

1) Encourage inflation to absorb costs.

2) Exaggerate undercutting to try and avoid relisting fees.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just not sure if it's the right fit at this point in time. I'll admit though, I might be ignorant because I've never played an mmo that incorporated a relisting fee after the fact.

....snip....Also I don't know what to tell you. Whenever one can level everything to 50 and gatherers get their own person nodes you are going to have a massive surplus. Unspoiled nodes are better designed in this sense because you can't mass farm them.

I get that and was aware when going in. Like I said, I'm just trying to be responsible about it. I have 3 retainers at the moment, all are 6-7 pages full, and I try to keep between 10-20 items on the market at all times on each retainer. I seem to be doing well, and hope to be back down to 2 retainers soon.

I feel like one of those "super blow out stores" right now though. "You wants Aldgoat Leathers!!? I GOTS ALDOGOAT LEATHER! You want HQ Yew Logs!?? I HAS MILLIONS OF YEW LOGS!! \o/ Now you just come down and see Ol' Stihl, I am OVERLOADED with inventory and these deals won't last long!!!"