Scrap the marketplace system please

[Nutz]

But doesn't that just create another problem, I mean how could you buy something if you can't see the prices?

Well in the FFXI system you spent a ridiculous amount of time tediously guessing at the list price. The system worked by having the buyer offer X amount of gil until they were at or over the list price of any of the available items. Whichever seller had the item listed lowest got the sale, regardless of what the buyer paid. In this system you could list for 1 gil to be assured that you item sold first and just hope that a buyer didn't try to buy it for lower than the going price, let alone the 1 gil you offered it for. The price history showed what people paid, not what people listed. Also there were listing fees and items expired after a week, so if you listed something very expensive and it didn't sell you'd be out a decent chunk of gil for nothing.

[AmyNeudaiz]

Also there were listing fees and items expired after a week, so if you listed something very expensive and it didn't sell you'd be out a decent chunk of gil for nothing.

That sounds absolutely terrible.

[Sibyll]

Also there were listing fees and items expired after a week, so if you listed something very expensive and it didn't sell you'd be out a decent chunk of gil for nothing.

So wouldn't a list fee stop people from 1 gil undercutting and possibly stop people from putting expensive items up for absurd amounts (for example as a means of storing things they don't have room for). This sounds like a decent implementation. The 1 gil undercutting is quite idiotic and just encourages people to market board camp.

I'm surprised they haven't allowed you to place offers for particular items. Seeing that an item is in demand doesn't really help the seller if the price the customer is willing to pay is too low for you. Couldn't you have your retainer buy out certain items as they are put up on the board similar to how the retainer sells your items?

No it doesn't.

Crafted gear is meldable.

The best gear is crafted+meld.

Free markets work better overall to move gil around, Sorry that you can't be a gilhorder in ff14, tough luck.

Even if crafted gear were better than raid tier (which I'm pretty sure it isn't) it's not worth the absurd cost to get those over melds on ever piece. Tome gear is as good for significantly less.

[Stihllodeing]

So wouldn't a list fee stop people from 1 gil undercutting and possibly stop people from putting expensive items up for absurd amounts (for example as a means of storing things they don't have room for). This sounds like a decent implementation. The 1 gil undercutting is quite idiotic and just encourages people to market board camp...snip.....

Not for me personally. I'll just absorb the margin.

I'm leveling all my crafters at once and my highest is 36. I have to sell crap . That's just the way it is. My bread and butter right now is selling triple turn in leve items and miscellaneous HQs. I have to push quantity most of the time. The way I'm pushing product is very similar to an assembly line.

Which is why I need top paged and check the market board as soon as I log on and as soon as I log off. I buy and resell a lot on certain days, and try to gear my production towards items I can use myself worst case scenario.

I almost always undercut by 1 gil. That's respectful to me. Because of threads like this, I started to undercut by 5-10 and even 100 gil because people for some reason seem to be offended by the "1 gil undercut of douchery" (which makes zero sense to me).

I'll go back and forth all day with a product I want to push out of my extremely limited inventory space. When I lose the battle I'll either: buy and resell/take my product off for storage or use/tip my hat, bow in respect, and say to you "Well played kind sir/madam....but I'll be back".

This is business. Unadulterated, mindless, brain numbing, number crunching business. This is common in any economy.

[Sibyll]

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Undercutting by amounts that are insignificant compared to the cost of the item (ex: 500>499, or 150,000> 149,900) doesn't benefit the buyer in any way. It only benefits people that camp market boards. A simple non-refundable listing fee, based on the post price, would at least discourage this behavior.

Also I don't know what to tell you. Whenever one can level everything to 50 and gatherers get their own person nodes you are going to have a massive surplus. Unspoiled nodes are better designed in this sense because you can't mass farm them.

[Stihllodeing]

Undercutting by amounts that are insignificant compared to the cost of the item (ex: 500>499, or 150,000> 149,900) doesn't benefit the buyer in any way. It only benefits people that camp market boards. A simple non-refundable listing fee, based on the post price, would at least discourage this behavior...snip....

That's true if the behavior is immediate and temporary. If it's a lasting trend, it very well does benefit the buyer ie (50,000-->49,0000-->47,500-->45,000-->40,000-->etc). Imo, adding a relisting fee to an economy that's already established trends and behaviors will do one of two things:

1) Encourage inflation to absorb costs.

2) Exaggerate undercutting to try and avoid relisting fees.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just not sure if it's the right fit at this point in time. I'll admit though, I might be ignorant because I've never played an mmo that incorporated a relisting fee after the fact.

....snip....Also I don't know what to tell you. Whenever one can level everything to 50 and gatherers get their own person nodes you are going to have a massive surplus. Unspoiled nodes are better designed in this sense because you can't mass farm them.

I get that and was aware when going in. Like I said, I'm just trying to be responsible about it. I have 3 retainers at the moment, all are 6-7 pages full, and I try to keep between 10-20 items on the market at all times on each retainer. I seem to be doing well, and hope to be back down to 2 retainers soon.

I feel like one of those "super blow out stores" right now though. "You wants Aldgoat Leathers!!? I GOTS ALDOGOAT LEATHER! You want HQ Yew Logs!?? I HAS MILLIONS OF YEW LOGS!! \o/ Now you just come down and see Ol' Stihl, I am OVERLOADED with inventory and these deals won't last long!!!"

[Sibyll]

That's true if the behavior is immediate and temporary. If it's a lasting trend, it very well does benefit the buyer ie (50,000-->49,0000-->47,500-->45,000-->40,000-->etc). Imo, adding a relisting fee to an economy that's already established trends and behaviors will do one of two things

When I get 1 gil undercut I undercut them for a good percentage of the cost (ex: 500>499>450, or 150,000>149,999>140,000) because I don't have time to dance around relisting ten thousand times. I'd like to get the maximum amount of profit I can get for my item, but I don't see the point in spending hours to go from 250k to 150k in 1 gil increments when I could get there in 10 mins in 10k gil increments.

That being said, I could see list fees back firing and hurting poor sellers at the expense of rich sellers. The point though is to discourage people from relisting items repeatedly. When the relist fee is non-existent there is nothing really stopping you from doing it other the amount of MB camping you are willing to do.

[Stihllodeing]

...snip... but I don't see the point in spending hours to go from 250k to 150k in 1 gil increments when I could get there in 10 mins in 10k gil increments...snip...

Neither do I. It takes no time at all. I think people are mistaking diligence for time sink. There is far more discipline than time sink involved when keeping your prices current. I get what you're saying, I really do, but your statement is a bit of an exaggeration. It does NOT take hours, only minutes...if that.

And also, I look forward to doing business with you and those of this mindset I will target your retainers and product to intentionally try and drive your price down, especially if we are competing over a product that moves well. I will then buy it and resell, or at least take the risk to do so.

It's nothing personal, just business. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. It's all par for the course in free market economies.