What the hardcore don't understand about Coil nerfs

[Taika]

You're ignoring the fact that it's not just "the hardcore" (whoever it is) complaining about the nerfs. It's also, and most importantly, "the casual" (whoever that is) players who wanted to do the actual fights, not the watered down versions of them, but just haven't gotten to it because of lack of time, static, or for whatever reason.

[DefendPopPunk]

You're ignoring the fact that it's not just "the hardcore" (whoever it is) complaining about the nerfs. It's also, and most importantly, "the casual" (whoever that is) players who wanted to do the actual fights, not the watered down versions of them, but just haven't gotten to it because of lack of time, static, or for whatever reason.

Hahaha...right.

OP: I said this before as well, you can't say a few hundred people at a fan fest or a couple of angry people on the forum is any type of consensus for either hardcore or casual group of players. I agree with you though, the time for second cool as it was is now over, it's old content and is now more accessible. Kudos to SE and like first coil, you'll all learn to live with the nerfs.

[Taika]

Hahaha...right.

Just read the long thread and see for yourself.

Here's just a few I found fast from the last 10 pages (with my settings).

Im not upset because I'm an elitist wishing everyone would be miles behind me progression wise...

Im upset because I never got to try T8/9 without nerfs. T7 was the most challenging thing I got to face in game so far and I haven't even cleared it yet. part of this is due to me being lazy, but still... why nerf it? Its in the DF, and we have access to i120 gear... people cleared it in i92... 28ilvs is a pretty big buff to the player... why nerf it into the ground even more?

My static was making good progress in second coil. It was actually fun. Now we don't have that option anymore and will probably go straight to t9.

What. The. Fu#%.

I had been working on SCoB when I could get a group that didn't require a previous kill and was having fun with it, now it is a total joke? At least with echo you can turn it off. From now on I guess it's a situation where you better clear everything while it is still recent or you will never be able to enjoy the fight in its full form.

Either be in a static and do current coil, or faceroll everything. Some middle ground would be nice. Just because some players are casual doesn't mean they don't want a challenge.

[DefendPopPunk]

Just read the long thread and see for yourself.

I did but those that made that complaint are few and far between. Also, I kind of already mentioned something about taking a few posts and somehow making that out to represent a consensus. Either way though, these complaints were around when first coil got nerfed and nothing came of all of that noise.

[Taika]

I did but those that made that complaint are few and far between. Also, I kind of already mentioned something about taking a few posts and somehow making that out to represent a consensus.

I didn't say there's a consensus, all I said was there are also these kind of people, who didn't like the nerfs and haven't beaten it yet, and that their opinion matters too, even more so than the opinion of those who have already beaten them.

Savage Coil was untouched, so who cares? If you really want to wave your giant e-penis around, there's still the Domitor title.

You can't really suggest that savage coil would be a replacement for normal difficulty coil 2 in challenge and target audience? Coil 2 without mechanic nerfs would have been perfect middle difficulty content for those wanting to progress and develop their skills before Final Coil and Savage.

[Ihm]

Isn't hardcore a type of porn?

[Maracrea13x]

Yes, google it.

[Kaaylryn]

I can understand downing T6 with a pug, if everyone stays the course. However, T7 and T8 are another story. They take some coordination between players, who kites renauds, paying attention to debuffs (voice and shriek) who gets the towers in T8, and when and watching for allaghan field. When SE made T6 through T8 available via DF, they pretty much had to nerf the content.

If everyone had a static this would not have been necessary, but DF is a whole different beast and I feel they made the right move for the majority of players to get through the content and move on. T9 is still a challenge, and I don't see players being able to down this via DF in its present state either, even with echo. Some sort of nerf will also be needed before they can DF that turn.

[WizardShotTheFood]

You're ignoring the fact that it's not just "the hardcore" (whoever it is) complaining about the nerfs. It's also, and most importantly, "the casual" (whoever that is) players who wanted to do the actual fights, not the watered down versions of them, but just haven't gotten to it because of lack of time, static, or for whatever reason.

Savage Coil was untouched, so who cares? If you really want to wave your giant e-penis around, there's still the Domitor title.

[Ophie-Mio]

Savage Coil was untouched, so who cares? If you really want to wave your giant e-penis around, there's still the Domitor title.

Savage coil has different mechanics. It's not the unaltered version. So argument not relevant.