2.41 patch, Ninja nerf for the Ninjas and Dungeons.

[Velhart]

Thankfully you were right.

Not sure why people thought this would be a patch to fix job balance issues. Dev's are still probably thinking of how to buff DRG without breaking the game. It isn't a few day process. A lot of balancing issues have to take into account before execution. I say changes for them are coming in 2.45, 2.43 at the earliest if that patch will even exist.

[Evangela]

To people who don't want NIN to be nerfed:

play SMN in Frontlines, go fight NIN 1-1, kill 10 NINs, record a vid and upload to Youtube (noob NINs don't count... heck I'm not sure if SMN can even kill a noob NIN).

[Nalien]

To people who don't want NIN to be nerfed in Frontlines:

Fixed that for you. Don't think anyone has actually been against such a thing though, more the majority don't even care to begin with. Ninja is definitely my main and I've even suggested nerfing it in Frontlines, so~

[Coldbrand]

To people who don't want NIN to be nerfed:

play SMN in Frontlines, go fight NIN 1-1, kill 10 NINs, record a vid and upload to Youtube (noob NINs don't count... heck I'm not sure if SMN can even kill a noob NIN).

PvP is never balanced around 1v1. Figure out what your role is and be a team player. As a DoT specialist you can move from target to target contributing enormous damage without needing to fully commit to attacking that player. Try focusing on team fights instead of dueling an assassin wearing a bathrobe.

[Rhas]

Yes they should, Was attacked by a ninja on my Summoner, usually I can take on most classes one vs one. The ninja killed me in3 seconds, I had enough time to apply one dot.
No other class can do that

Oh please lol

On BLM I've melted pld (and many other classes burning CD's) down in just a few seconds. (not including start cast time of fire III because they hadn't seen me yet) magic debuff - fire III - fire 1 - (proc) fire III proc - swiftcast flare - scathe and they were dead. If I surprise the enemy and start getting my rotations off before they even start moving. they are most likely going down and going down fast. The only ones semi immune to this have been healers, which I can typically get down to under 20% health before they use abilities like benedition or other massive hp restore abilities (or reduced damage)

Pretty much any class can take down most classes if they know how to play their class, burn CDs, sometimes get lucky quick procs and know how/when to kite as needed. Its a matter of your skill vs their ability.

[Coldbrand]

She's overlooking the fact that SMN is on the opposite end of the burst spectrum which lends itself hideously to one on one engagement unless you have the defense tools to make it a long term fight, which if given that SMN would become a DoT/Debuffer/Defensive/Pet Job which I think is stretching the design space a bit much.

[Evangela]

SMN can do high damage in a team fight but ninjas always target mages first. BLM can sleep them but SMN cannot defend themselves at all. SMN is a debuffer? not really. only have Bind (with 3 secs cast time). while other jobs have instant-stun/sleep/silence/bind/slow/heavy. Blind in this game is a joke too. people still can attack with blind status.

the only way to play SMN in Frontlines is stay in the Backline but that will only work with noob enemies. experienced opponents will attack SMN first because they know how much SMN can do (and how easy SMN can be killed).

[Warlyx]

SMN can do high damage in a team fight but ninjas always target mages first. BLM can sleep them but SMN cannot defend themselves at all. SMN is a debuffer? not really. only have Bind (with 3 secs cast time). while other jobs have instant-stun/sleep/silence/bind/slow/heavy. Blind in this game is a joke too. people still can attack with blind status.

the only way to play SMN in Frontlines is stay in the Backline but that will only work with noob enemies. experienced opponents will attack SMN first because they know how much SMN can do (and how easy SMN can be killed).

lol? where are the healers ? in Frontlines u kill healers first o u wont kill any1 ,and most partys have 1 or 2 heals....so u need to focus both or CC 1 and focus the other , or u wont be able to kill any1.

As smn u can do a lot of dmg to lots of ppl at the same time (bane on flags ) , and a well timed Fester> ruin II > Enkindle (buffed) can 1 shot any1...(yeah it needs dots up blablabla)

u can sprint , use garuda for knockback / ifrit stun, and tridisaster is a ranged AOE root....if a melee is on u...why dont u use blizzard 2? is a pbao root....

is a uphill battle? yeah caster dont have it easy on Frontlines , but thats because they do the most dmg and from safe distance...Bards do laughable dmg on FL (outside full CD), but can disrupt caster/healers the best so is a far trade off i guess.

[Snugglebutt]

Frontlines is not a 1v1 feature, it is a team feature. A SMN is not meant to be charging out taking everyone on in 1v1 fisticuffs. As part of a team you work together with other classes. You do not balance the feature by making everyone able to kill everyone else in 1v1 fights, you balance it based on group vs group, team vs team.

Yes the major damage dealers will go for the healers first and casters because healers negate any damage the opposing damage dealers do and casters like BLM target groups with large scale damage or classes the use massive amounts of DOTs not just individuals which is why you team protects those at the same time as trying to take out the other teams BLM casters and healers etc.

A ninjas role in frontlines to me is hunting down sheep who separated from the safety of the pack, but when that sheep is in their pack the odds are against the ninja and the ninja can get caught off guard too or fall into traps that use the lone sheep as bait. Team sport, not free for all with everyone running off in random directions on their own. Roles still exists within those teams.

[RedAntares]

To people who don't want NIN to be nerfed:

play SMN in Frontlines, go fight NIN 1-1, kill 10 NINs, record a vid and upload to Youtube (noob NINs don't count... heck I'm not sure if SMN can even kill a noob NIN).

What? Frontlines is not a 1vs1 arena and SMN practically owns everything if left alone in team fights, I normally get a lot of kills with my SMN if no one keeps focus on me or distrupts me in a fight but SMN can get countered really easy with a BRD breathing down your neck.

As for NINs, is what they are supposed to do, they are the type of class that does high single burst dmg, their job is to shut down priority targets in team fights as fast as they can, if you are trying to solo a NIN as SMN you are doing it wrong, same as trying to 1vs1 a BRD with a SMN.

SMN excels at team fights most of the time. NINs are fine for me as they are now.