White Mage vs Scholar - Why is White Mage lacking?

[Coldea]

2) Make Shroud of Saints recover a % of MP instead of a flat amount (correct me if I’m wrong here, but I believe Shroud is currently a flat amount of MP restored).

Shroud of Saint has a potency, which means that the mp you regen using it depends only on your weapon damage. Upgrade to a better weapon and you get more MP. 'It feels like a flat amount' because you dont change your weapon very often.

[Sanguisio]

let these threads die please, so pointless

[DarkmoonVael]

White mage is not lacking in any way, shape or form. What seems to be happening is that you are selectively choosing what are good points and bad points for each class on an arbitrary basis. First of all, scholar can not aoe heal any where as near as effectivly as a white mage. Your argument on this is spurious at best. A white mage has 3 very powerful aoe heals, heals that come with no riders at all. Scholars can put out some good aoe regen, only when all the cooldowns are available. White mage presses one of the 3 aoe heal buttons at anytime to make lots of people not dead at once. White mage comes with the best regen spells in the game, something you seem to not acknowledge either, these are very powerful in their own right. They also come the most powerful healing spells in the game, benediction, which is THE spell that can seperate an excellent white mage and a medicore one, knowing how and when to use this is a skill in itself.
Also, would love to see you manage these amazing scholar aoe heals with selene out O.o
I raid as scholar due to my raid group needing a scholar, have played scholar end game since 2.0, and usually main whm where i can. I can not disagree with your biased, unbalanced analysis any more..........

[Kempast]

I think WHM don't lack as a healer class but what I don't like about it is that instant heal, Benediction.
The animation takes so much to be done and my tank usually dies before I recover all of his HP, this makes the SCH a little superior with his instant heal, Lustrate. It doesn't recover all the HP, but at least is truly instant.

[Tranquil]

The WHM-hate bandwagon goes on and on it seems. WHM is fine and very relevant in FCoB. In fact I think WHMs have been getting more relevant as time has went on and a new Coil has gotten released.

[DarkerOrange]

I think WHM is a great class and works exactly as it should. I think the issue comes from the fact that is quite hard to become a really good WHM, and alot of people just end up thinking that you need to press Cure or Cure II over and over.

[Slib]

Shroud of Saint has a potency, which means that the mp you regen using it depends only on your weapon damage. Upgrade to a better weapon and you get more MP. 'It feels like a flat amount' because you dont change your weapon very often.

Tested this just now.

I110 wep had 212 MP Regen per tick
Level 1 Weathered Cane had 212 MP Regen per tick.

Seems to be a flat amount, because I even lost some piety in that.

[Slib]

White mage is not lacking in any way, shape or form. What seems to be happening is that you are selectively choosing what are good points and bad points for each class on an arbitrary basis. First of all, scholar can not aoe heal any where as near as effectivly as a white mage. Your argument on this is spurious at best. A white mage has 3 very powerful aoe heals, heals that come with no riders at all. Scholars can put out some good aoe regen, only when all the cooldowns are available. White mage presses one of the 3 aoe heal buttons at anytime to make lots of people not dead at once. White mage comes with the best regen spells in the game, something you seem to not acknowledge either, these are very powerful in their own right. They also come the most powerful healing spells in the game, benediction, which is THE spell that can seperate an excellent white mage and a medicore one, knowing how and when to use this is a skill in itself.
Also, would love to see you manage these amazing scholar aoe heals with selene out O.o
I raid as scholar due to my raid group needing a scholar, have played scholar end game since 2.0, and usually main whm where i can. I can not disagree with your biased, unbalanced analysis any more..........

First off, I mentioned that with the current fights that I've done (All non coil and up to T11) do not require a White Mages wonderful AoE Healing to get through. It can be done with Eos, Succor and shielding.

AoE doesn't come out on people like a tank takes melee hits all the time from bosses with a big burst every now and then. So to me, White Mage is not very special or unique.

When you do Turn 9 with Mega Flare as a White Mage alone, you will need to ask your team members to go Vitality Spec. Why? Because Stoneskin wouldn't be enough to cover a Mega Flare. As Scholar, you have many damage reduction/prevention options at your disposal.

When you do Turn 11, you have Virus (Scholar has INT reduction), Sacred Soil, Fey Covenant to make up for more Magic Defense than what Protect gives if you were a White Mage and Adlos which cast much faster than stoneskin and guess what, since you are a scholar, you have much MUCH better mp generation, so you don't feel the MP loss as much as if you were to stoneskin EVERY member in the group before that nerve gas goes out.

In turn 10, you need to get adlos off fast on specific targets that are about to get a debuff. This can be done WHILE healing the tank at the same time with your fairy and your ever so friendly Lustrates which save your tanks if you happen to not have them topped off before hand. Also, Thanks to Eos and knowing when the tank takes burst damage, you can even solo heal the last phase of T10 while tossing at least 3 dots on the boss and still keep the group up while having perfect MP.

I've actually been able to raise people 6 times in a row in a Turn 9 fight and not even have my MP dented. If a White Mage did this, they would be begging for ballad.

The list on how white mage is lacking can go on and on. Sure, for dungeons, White Mage is fine. Holy is fun. For raid content, Both healers are good together, but to be honest, SCOB could be fully solo healed bringing more dps to the group. Even while solo healing it scholar could put out DPS too and not require a bard for ballad, ever.

White mage doesn't have many good points. The only good point is they are awesome in PvP for being a healer with excellent Peel/CC and bring extra AoE healing to groups, which to my knowledge isn't required as of T11.

[Lord_Zlatan]

I think WHM is a great class and works exactly as it should. I think the issue comes from the fact that is quite hard to become a really good WHM, and alot of people just end up thinking that you need to press Cure or Cure II over and over.

Levelled up WHM just to diversify a bit as I had both tanks and DRG at 50. I definitely thought, while leveling up, that WHM is way too easy to play.

Dead wrong lol.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

There's nothing wrong with the White Mage class or it's skill set. But there's something terribly wrong with the mental image the playerbase has of White Mage and the current mainstream play style meta:

Levelled up WHM just to diversify a bit as I had both tanks and DRG at 50. I definitely thought, while leveling up, that WHM is way too easy to play.

Dead wrong lol.

Also: more misinformation

Shroud of Saint has a potency, which means that the mp you regen using it depends only on your weapon damage. Upgrade to a better weapon and you get more MP. 'It feels like a flat amount' because you dont change your weapon very often.

Shroud of Saint's is unaffected by anything. It restores 1090 MP flat and nothing affects it. The only reason why Weapon Damage seems to affect it is because all the better weapons available to White Mage naturally have Piety. More Piety equals more narutal MP recovery over time.