Spellcasting in PvP

[Dimitrii]

Do you guys have any idea how much they would have to nerf blm even further in order to allow for the job to cast uninterrupted by attacks? Its like all the blms posting here conveniently forget the firestarter proc and thundercloud proc mechanics exist. How the hell is anyone supposed to silence/stun firestarter proc (which has an absurdly high activation rate of 40%) 240 potency fire 3s or thundercloud thunders (this at least has a more reasonable 5% activation rate) when they are instant?

This is on top of fire I's extremely high potency (170) which can be spammed back to back so long as you have mp and doesnt carry the combo bonus restriction, positioning bonus restriction, close range requirement or long recast that the stronger melee attacks have. And to make matters even worse you now enable the possibility of blms hard casting flare should they be lucky enough to go unnoticed, have built up stun resistance, or just be lucky that no one has stun/silence up to stop them. Lol and I suppose you guys want to be able to wield this godly destructive power while retaining all your cc abilities. This is why the general playerbase would make for such a fail game developer.

[Kassiekane]

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Do you even blm bro? If you compare black mage to summoner - a job that only has to hardcast 2 spells every 20-30 seconds - it is very unfair that they have to stand and cast every single spell. You complain about firestarter procs, but don't even mention how much damage fester can do under raging strikes. Once they get that 3rd dot up it's over, you're about to take a shitload of damage if your purify hasn't popped yet.

Think about it, all summoners really have to do hardcast 2 dots, freecast the 3rd, bane/fester, contagation, enkindle - most off their skills are freecasted, AND they have a CC - but black mages aren't allowed to freecast because 'balance'. Get real dude.

[StouterTaru]

Do you guys have any idea how much they would have to nerf blm even further in order to allow for the job to cast uninterrupted by attacks? Its like all the blms posting here conveniently forget the firestarter proc and thundercloud proc mechanics exist. How the hell is anyone supposed to silence/stun firestarter proc (which has an absurdly high activation rate of 40%) 240 potency fire 3s or thundercloud thunders (this at least has a more reasonable 5% activation rate) when they are instant?

There's a difference between being uninterrupted by attacks and having a chance not to be interrupted by attacks.

Right now, everything that can interrupt a spell cast, does. Every BLM spell that causes big boy damage takes at least a full GCD to cast.

In order to have firestarter or thundercloud, you have to first land fire or thunder.

[Dimitrii]

There's a difference between being uninterrupted by attacks and having a chance not to be interrupted by attacks.

Right now, everything that can interrupt a spell cast, does. Every BLM spell that causes big boy damage takes at least a full GCD to cast.

In order to have firestarter or thundercloud, you have to first land fire or thunder.

This is true but the point of my post is that the only reason your firestarter procs have not been nerfed is because of the fact that you are not able to free cast to your hearts content. As I said before 40% activation rate is insanely high for such a potent attack so any increase in your ability to sustain constant casting will inevitably be met with a nerf of this mechanic in some capacity.

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You're comparing a job who's bulk of damage accumulates over time and across multiple targets to one who can and will kill you in as few as 3 gcd's should they be lucky with their procs. Comparing one job who's debuffs can be removed, who's stacks can be removed, and who's strongest pet ability runs on a 5 min cooldown to one who would sustain potent burst dmg given the ability to free cast with absolutely no way to hinder or mitigate said incoming dmg (short of focalization/skewer which would affect both jobs anyway) lol. If your gonna give me such an asinine comparison then there really is no reason to even respond to this post cause you have no idea as to how lethal blm is unmolested. Not trying to belittle smn as they are undoubtedly kings in accumulating dmg long term but to compare their ability to deal and sustain burst dmg to that of blm is utterly ridiculous. You should probably take your own advice and actually play the job first before commenting.

[StouterTaru]

You're comparing a job who's bulk of damage accumulates over time and across multiple targets to one who can and will kill you in as few as 3 gcd's should they be lucky with their procs.

This is true of every dps in frontlines. The difference is, all you have to do is poke a blm and they do almost no damage to you. Other dps have off GCD attacks.

[Dimitrii]

This is true of every dps in frontlines. The difference is, all you have to do is poke a blm and they do almost no damage to you. Other dps have off GCD attacks.

No this is not true of every dps in frontlines. While it is true that all the dps may be able to burst a target down occasionally, that burst damage potential is still restricted by the recast times attached to the abilities the dps would use to perform said burst (i.e drg's jumps + pvp abilities, smn's enkindle, monk's howling fist + pvp abilities + steel peak, etc). Black mage would literally be the sole exception to this limitation as their burst comes from spells which are on the gcd (firestarter procs from using fire, thundercloud procs from using thunder and flare).

[StouterTaru]

No this is not true of every dps in frontlines. While it is true that all the dps may be able to burst a target down occasionally, that burst damage potential is still restricted by the recast times attached to the abilities the dps would use to perform said burst (i.e drg's jumps + pvp abilities, smn's enkindle, monk's howling fist + pvp abilities + steel peak, etc). Black mage would literally be the sole exception to this limitation as their burst comes from spells which are on the gcd.

Assuming they start out with AF3 already up and thunder on one or more targets...

and use Raging Strikes...

and get lucky on procs...

and don't get touched...

and target stays in front conal...

[Kassiekane]

cause you have no idea as to how lethal blm is unmolested...

Equal to a summoner.

[Kassiekane]

...and actually play the job first before commenting.

Challenge completed.

You nor any other non summoner dps will ever reach the total dmg a highly skilled summoner can for the simple fact that no job is capable of compiling damage across multiple targets the way summoner can.

This is exactly my point. Even if a black mage does not get touched for most of the match, their dps ceiling is still lower than a class that can freecast most of its abilities. You are also underestimating how lethal dots can be when you have melees and tanks to worry about, since a summoner can pretty much negate aoe heals while melees deal the killing blow.

You're comparing a job who's bulk of damage accumulates over time and across multiple targets to one who can and will kill you in as few as 3 gcd's should they be lucky with their procs.

No, it took me an average of 7-9 gcd's to get anyone low enough for a kill (melees usually took the finishing blow). Black mage's ST damage is pure RNG, and even with good luck it still isn't some 'blow up the healer' kind of thing, and it shouldn't be, but at the same time it doesn't deserve to be a free kill. How boring is it to play a class in which your only defense is to run away?
Most of that damage came from flare; I continuously used 3-4 flares in a row under raging strikes and did some serious damage across a whole party of adders bubbling a flag.... but no one died. If I just used fire 1/3 for the entirety of the match I wouldn't have gotten that score. Black mage is not the threat you make it out to be.

[Arkenne]

Most of those are a pretty bad ideas on account of them being RNG. You do NOT want interrupt mechanics governed by RNG. Ever. That makes for entirely random matches with random balance. No. What you want is a controllable, skillful method of interrupting. Something that can be directly controlled by the player who's trying to interrupt the cast.
I'd actually like to see exactly what we have now, but with some minor tweaks:
1: Autoattacks no longer interrupt. Ever.

Well, first than nothing, what I posted werent suggestion, but rather asking you guys what is it you were looking for, for clarification's sake.
Seems I hit the nail, looking at your 1st point.