Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
If everyone is in the instance and one of the player 90Ks, is it the system fault or the player's fault (includes the player's ISP's fault)? And if it is the tank or healer, the raid fails. Obvious getting mad at the system is misdirected anger. Players need to be held accountable to get their system, network, etc. to be working properly. If the system is going to crap out like it did last night, then SE get the blame over server problems, but the system, in this case the strikes and penalty, is not at fault.
Individuals, maybe. But there's no reason to give strikes to everyone else in the party because one of their members is having network issues. It's not like I should be expected to sort out the network problems of some random stranger on the internet.

Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
The collective penalty is to use the power of social reinforcement to get get people to click commence and quit DF fishing and gaming the system.
Seriously, can you read the thread please? It's impossible to game the system as a group. The use of social reinforcement in this case is misplaced and purely destructive in nature as it discourages players from grouping with strangers.