2.41 patch, Ninja nerf for the Ninjas and Dungeons.

[Tonkra]

If they make any change to Ninja, it should be knocking Raiton down a peg.

As i said.. even for me as a blm the raiton dmg is laughable.. smn, blm can do much more dmg with one single skill and not having that high reusetimer as well. and for ninja fitting the highest melee damage role (that of a rogue/assassin).. it should come close to that damage potency.

im quiet sure people would shout for a blm nerf if it was a new class.

and katon seems very useless in pvp also. i mean around 140 dmg on each person for having 20 second reuse timer.. this does not hurt anyone at all XD
maybe i see an issue with kassatsu for resetting the ninjutsu timer.. but thats about it actually.

[Jacost]

I say that they should give a large boost to DRG's potency, making it the strongest melee DPS (maybe even the strongest overall) to make up for it's lack of raid utility. It'll remain the easiest class to use that way, but still be useful. Also buff it's magic defence because that's just embarrassing.

[Velhart]

So why exactly do people think NIN in PvE needs to be nerfed? Last I recall we are still not the top DPS to MNK in Coils. Nerfing them is asking them to be unplayable, because that is what happens when you nerf them. It isn't going to be some cozy spot for them, SE will nerf them too much and make them as undesired as DRG's right now. Ask to buff jobs that do seriously lack in the DPS department. People really don't know the consequences to major nerfs to one's DPS. Ninja is where it should be, Monk is where it should be, and hopefully SE does right for DRG.

Not to mention, we still deal with a lot of DoT's, buffs, and mudras, and you want us on positional requirements? Okay.

[Nalien]

im quiet sure people would shout for a blm nerf if it was a new class.

Not in PvP. I'd actually call Black Mage the weakest Job in PvP at the moment.

The simple fact is that Raiton should not have its range and potency though. There isn't a situation in the game where I'd use Fuma Shuriken, solely because Raiton has more than enough range. Every Ninjutsu has its use (Katon in PvE, not PvP, although even in PvP it's great for finishing off people after a mage LB) except Fuma Shuriken.

It's obvious use is that it's there for when you're too far from an enemy, however you can almost certainly just use Raiton instead. Remove Raitons unjust range and Fuma Shuriken has a purpose, and Ninja is slightly nerfed in PvP.

[ReplicaX]

No its not, he caught me by surprise when I was about to dot up the node and just charged in, and everyone was so focused on killing the drone so we kinda had a one vs one where my entire party was.
I started using shadow play (a recording software) and if I get 3 seconds killed again in frontlines ill post a video!

You have a battle log for a reason. It will tell you exactly how you died and where it came from. That is more valuable than some video and countless statements based on assumption.

[coldreactive]

Ninja isn't supposed to be a burst DPS, I'm not sure why it feels like it is.

[yuixjfa]

Ninja isn't supposed to be a burst DPS, I'm not sure why it feels like it is.

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[kyuven]

the only thing about ninja i can say with absolute certainty that needs to be changed is the fact that dancing edge is currently not restricted by flanking/not flanking status when it says it is in the description.

Ninja isn't supposed to be a burst DPS, I'm not sure why it feels like it is.

What else do you call a class that spikes its damage output every 20 seconds or so?

[Nalien]

Ninja isn't supposed to be a burst DPS

It... Isn't?

Stealth roles are almost always burst DPS... I guess we could have a Job that goes invisible and tickles an enemy to death slowly, though.

[Wylde]

the only thing about ninja i can say with absolute certainty that needs to be changed is the fact that dancing edge is currently not restricted by flanking/not flanking status when it says it is in the description.

It's working as it should. You can't apply it from the front. An enemies flank includes its back and sides . I don't think NIN needs any kind of nerf .