Little updates weekly vs Great updates Monthly

[mysterytaru]

Glad to see jps were raging too, i asked if they were just was curious haha. I guess I don't feel so bad if the rage was global.

The real difference comes in the fact that they're probably a whole lot more constructive overall, making proper use of dev tags, and posting in the proper feedback forums instead of shoving *everything* in General Discussion like all the BS in the English forums ._.

[Betelgeuzah]

Wow, the jps are beyond any help at this point. Scary.

You may be happy with biweekly patches, but that would slow down their development immensely. Planning, testing and preparing everything separately instead of as a focused, effective effort. Especially when planning must sometimes take place months beforehand. Good luck coordinating that.

Dividing the large patches into two slowed them down too, but not as much.

It's easy to make a decision when you aren't taking everything into account.

As far as my opinion goes, they need to fix the game for the people paying for it as soon as possible and not cater to the tiny population that won't appreciate the extra work regardless.

[Misha]

"snail(auto)-attack" FINALLY someone said it.

There's nothing like paying for a game who's primary means of playing is waiting, and waiting, and waiting...

Imo this slower auto attack is ALOT better than the alternative^^ faster hits + lower tp per hit AND lower dmg. Last thing we need is another mmo where auto - attack makes up less than 10% of your dmg and your dmg is all but dependent on abilities. This also keeps it more strategic in building alot of great passives for auto like 11 and not having to have a specific mind numbing ability rotation that never changes... my thoughts anyways :P Would be nice to have a balance of FF 11's auto attack system where it mattered and had lots of options plus factors but also more like modern mmo's where you have more abilities to use in between (Which we already have tbh) and attack delay isn't quite as long!

[TirionCrey]

and its probably safe to say that "8 out of 10 are not happy"
and "1-3 out of the 8 think its crap"

This statement lacks a real statistic. The complainers are always the one who wants to make theor voice heard, while the ones who are satisfied keep a low profile. Watch things getting nerfed, MP use getting lowered(too far), hate being facerolled by tanks etc after a fix or whatever may come, THEN you will see everyone who was fine with the patch starting their rage complaints...

That's why I like the "Like" Button. Cause peolpe who are satisfied can click it and show that way, they are satisfied without needing their voice to be heard and I'm sorry...all threads that were "positively" speaking of the patch had more likes, then the ones speaking negatively of it...so go figure.

[Eekiki]

Until our resident subligar wearer confirms this, I don't believe for a second that the JP forums are "raging".

[Deceptistar]

This statement lacks a real statistic. The complainers are always the one who wants to make theor voice heard, while the ones who are satisfied keep a low profile. Watch things getting nerfed, MP use getting lowered(too far), hate being facerolled by tanks etc after a fix or whatever may come, THEN you will see everyone who was fine with the patch starting their rage complaints...

That's why I like the "Like" Button. Cause peolpe who are satisfied can click it and show that way, they are satisfied without needing their voice to be heard and I'm sorry...all threads that were "positively" speaking of the patch had more likes, then the ones speaking negatively of it...so go figure.

your just looking for excuses. The "button" does you no good if you cant read japanese.... yeah i see a crap ton of "likes" there but how are you suppose to know...

Until our resident subligar wearer confirms this, I don't believe for a second that the JP forums are "raging".

ignorance is bliss
the resident subligar was one of the pple that posted there that was disgruntled. I think he quoted that his wife got fed up the first day of the patch.
Why is it a surprise that other pple can read japanese too, it cant be THAT rare can it?
you sound like youll blindly beleive him if he told you they were 100% happy ;P
"The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off."

[Gramul]

Large bimonthly updates till the games core structure is solid enough to expand on.
Then monthly updates for content addition with semi weekly updates for smaller content and bug fixes.

[Arcell]

In my opinion steady smaller patches is the better way to go about it. That way a relatively small number of things change so it's easier on the bug fixing side of things, easier to pinpoint a bug occurring in a specific system. They would have time to fix it and ship it out in one of the following updates. Also even if it's something small the community is always getting something new. So instead of people finishing things in 1 week and then going afk until the next huge patch you'll have something to keep them coming back more often at the very least just to see the changes.

[Murugan]

well im on page 32 atm and still got 20 more pages to go.
Currently the repeated topics on the Patch 1.18 threads are:

-overall wtf?
-"You didnt test this did you?/what are you thinking?/Do you guys actually find this fun before you release it?/lol yoshiP-beta"
-Cure hate rage
-MP cost rage
-repair rate rage
-snail(auto)-attack rage
-leve quest SP rage
-behest rage
-Imbalance rage (including THM/CON issue and solo/party play)
-passive/active mode changing (they dont like the characters sliding) this was a bit menial i think tho...

-dungeons- are about the only thing thats got a neutral if not good impression. Just they are angry at the above implements. and some anger on the con/arc/gla focused setups

and its probably safe to say that "8 out of 10 are not happy"
and "1-3 out of the 8 think its crap"

compared to them the NA forums are largely optimistic.
thers so much complaint on the JP side that you dont see as much pple backing up the optimistic side like we see in the NA forums. (like here some pple would bash them if they complained too much and call them trolls)

Do you mean page 32 of the forum , or 32 of a single complaint thread. If it's the latter then that has to be nice getting all the raging in one thread, but if its the former then man they post a hell of a lot more threads than we do.

It does surprise me to hear JP players raging over the SP changes to leves. I know that JP players did a lot of leve-linking groups because how of how good the XP was from that; but honestly I didn't think anyone would be sorry to see that go. I too regret not taking advantage of that broken system as much as I could have, but I hope XP parties will be able to compete better in terms of xp/hour once we get them fully fixed up in 1.2.

Grind groups are so much better though for the game/community, if not in terms of XP (at least until we get xp chains maybe and other enhancements to them in 1.2) then at least in terms of how enjoyable they are as a means of leveling. Leve-linking every 36 hours was crap, I would rage if they brought that back as the primary form of group leveling.

The other thing that surprises me is auto-attack rage. On my LNC, Pugilist, and GLA I never have to wait for any significant period of time while auto attack builds TP like I did in XI, and during that time I'm generally using other abilities. When you throw in the "special" basic attacks that remain, I guess I see auto-attack as a complete afterthought mostly with the only difference from the previous system being that I don't have to spam it near as much (which I consider a big plus).

[Reinheart]

small weekly, bi-weekly updates/patches are nice but remember FFXI's patcher sucks big time! (doesn't affect me)
every patch/update going to make everyone download the full patch every time...