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    I might be reading too much into the sch 3rd pet!

    First let me state some info regarding Eos and Selene:

    Eos in Greek mythology, is the goddess of the dawn, also Alka Zolka mentioned this "The sunlight of Eos doth soothe and shield."
    Selene in Greek mythology, is the goddess of the moon, also Alka Zolka mentioned this "The moonlight of Selene doth silence and strengthen."
    Not to forget to mention that both Eos and Selene are aspects of the same faerie lily in the game, while in the Greek mythology they are sisters.
    However they had a brother! The brother is Helios who is the god of the Sun in Greek mythology, and the brother of both Eos and Selene.
    They rule each a third of the day.

    What connects Helios to FFxiv is only speculation of course but it is the sun! The Greek mythology usually associates another creature with the sun
    and that creature is associated with Final Fantasy in general. That creature is the one and the only Ph.....



    In Greek mythology, a phoenix is a long-lived bird that is cyclically regenerated or reborn, associated with the sun. Its counterpart is the Bennu in
    ancient Egypt, which is deity linked with the sun, creation, and rebirth.
    I know this could be tricky for scholar lore but not impossible, maybe not as Phoenix itself but an aspect of it. Since the knowledge of the Nymians are
    NOT fully recovered. Those Nymians for who don't know are the scholars who lived in the floating city of Nym, you can have a glimpse at its beautiful
    scenery in Outer La Noscea. Furthermore, the new theme for the expansion is "The Sky" so who knows we might visit the city as an open world area or
    a dungeon like the Wanderer Palace and recover more about the Nymians.

    In addition I looked for Phoenix spells/skills from FF history and they were mostly revive (for single target or whole party), curaga, and Firaga.
    I am sure if we end up having phoenix, it won't have all of those skills. It will have an "Embrace" equivalent and maybe instant raise for single target
    with a long cool down, and two more abilities in a way that makes it balance and on par with Selene and Eos.

    Forgive my engrish, and feel free to discuss : D
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    Last edited by Hopecord; 11-17-2014 at 01:15 AM.

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    Stop making a third fairy happen. It's not gonna happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    Stop making a third fairy happen. It's not gonna happen.
    It could with the level cap increased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    Stop making a third fairy happen. It's not gonna happen.
    why are you so sure? can you explain? or just you wanna be that one guy!
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    I actually do believe that a third fairy (or other summon) will happen eventually, just because adding more summons to pet-enabled classes seems to be the thing to do in games like this.

    Helios and related ideas are also very old speculation. Been beaten to death on forums already.

    The main issue with a third fairy is SE actually making it useful without making the other two obsolete. Eos is already borderline irrelevant past low-level, while Selene offers a marginal benefit, but is boring as hell. End-game parties rarely need more heals or more mitigation, and any DPS-boosting fairy more powerful than Selene would place the latter on a shelf. A fairy that DPSes like an Egi would not only infringe on SMN territory but be extremely redundant since SCHs have no issues at all with solo DPS.

    They're probably so concerned about unbalancing SCH that, if anything, they'll err on the side of giving us a very useless third summon.
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    Cynfael pretty much elaborated the issues about having a third fairy, but I'll do my share as well.

    No, I have no solid proof. But who does? Both stories of the third fairy theory cannot be proven and can only be speculated. If you consider the scholar lore, I believe a third fairy will not happen.


    As arcanist, you reclaimed an ancient tablet originated from the Nym civilization and with it a soulstone - Which you quickly snatched before the lalafel did, shame on you! The previous owner of that soulstone has succumb to the tonberry epidemic and the soulstone, with the fairy, has slumbered ever since. That single fairy, named Lily, has two sides: Eos and Selene. Both aspects of the fairy has been discovered prior to Lily recovering her memories and was described in the tablet of the nym. You could conclude that the fairy was already aware of the powers that's already lingering inside of her. If the fact that Lily were actually two seperate fairies and not one, the relation between Lily and Eos and Selene, from the Greek mythology, wouldn't be far-fetched at all. But it isn't. Lily is a single entity that happens to have two different aspects/powers. The lore also never mentioned that the tablet was incomplete.

    As a scholar, you never had to do anything to unlock your familiars or their abilities. Selene and Eos has always been there from the moment you became a scholar. Summoners, on the other hand, had to battle the egi versions of specific primals before they were able to harness their powers and had a job skill quest that involves unlocking their hidden abilities: Enkindle. At the end of the scholar lore, Lily's memory has returned and the story came to an end. Helios or another potential familiar was never mentioned in the lore.

    With that in mind: Lily (your current fairy) will only have two kind of powers: The power to soothe and shield and the power to silence and strengthen.

    Of course, Square-Enix could easily create some cheap lore that would change the current lore with a simple "oh we found another tablet" or "hey Lily has more memories undiscovered!", but will they really?

    Heck, if Lily had two aspects called Goku and Vegeta, would you expect they'd add Gohan too? The names happen to be inspired by Eos and Selene from the Greek mythology.


    Lore aside, the biggest question would be whether a scholar needs another fairy. Both Eos and Selene already do their jobs perfectly well. A third fairy would either be useless or make one or the other obsolete - As mentioned by Cynfael. I believe it's more realistic to expect an ability similar to Enkindle: Teaching the fairy a fifth ability.

    And fairy aside, I'd much rather see some really useful abilities and/or spells that would expand/enrich the current Scholar kit. Rather than a fairy, or familiar for that matter, that would completely replace one fairy and only have minor effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    Lore aside, the biggest question would be whether a scholar needs another fairy.
    This is a game, does anyone really need anything? Does any class "need" new skills, animations? Classes are fine as they are, let's never add anything new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    snip.
    thank you for explaining
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riepah View Post
    This is a game, does anyone really need anything? Does any class "need" new skills, animations? Classes are fine as they are, let's never add anything new.
    A male fairy needs to happen. Helios. I don't care whether or not there's lore in the game in regards to "Lily" (they can change it to fit.) I just think a third fairy would make sense. You know, the cliche "power of three" thing. Please, SE, a male fairy.
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    Well, in regards of "power of three", it would make more sense to have a fairy with the power of afternoon?
    Eos means Dawn
    Selene means Moon, can be associated with the night
    So next one would be related to Afternoon or Evening, I guess :P

    Third fairy! Now with the power of the afternoon!

    I still don't think a third fairy would fit current scholar lore, though. But if there's some advanced class system that goes beyond the soulstone for level 50+, I wouldn't doubt that.
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