Myth Message being used to excluded players

[Brill_]

Why is so hard to understand that putting "no 100 bonus" in PF is synonymous with "previous clears only", which you seem fine with? And why is it that the players who don't do content where previous experience is incredibly important for a farm keep arguing that... it isn't? You're in an FC of soldiery superheros; you've seemingly not challenged content that requires a substantial time investment to learn.

Why can't you understand that previous does not equal skilled? Which is what people have been arguing in this thread. If you want skilled people for farming, fine. But assessing the skill of a player based on them having the bonus message or not is the worst way to do that.

[Ellatrix]

Why can't you understand that previous does not equal skilled? Which is what people have been arguing in this thread. If you want skilled people for farming, fine. But assessing the skill of a player based on them having the bonus message or not is the worst way to do that.

Because you're catering to an outlier. When you build a PF, you go for the norm. And the norm is, if you've cleared it, you stand a significantly better chance of knowing what to do than if you haven't.

Why do people who don't do raid content keep coming in here saying I'm wrong? Go clear stuff if you're so good and don't need prior experience to do so.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Because you're catering to an outlier. When you build a PF, you go for the norm. And the norm is, if you've cleared it, you stand a significantly better chance of knowing what to do than if you haven't.

Why do people who don't do raid content keep coming in here saying I'm wrong? Go clear stuff if you're so good and don't need prior experience to do so.

I suppose I am rather abnormal. All the same. . . done!

[Ellatrix]

I suppose I am rather abnormal. All the same. . . done!

I'm eagerly awaiting to see you fully decked out in high allagan when your lodestone next updates.

[Ellatrix]

I see no where in your list of things you like to do "farm raid content with pugs". Which is the entire premise for making exclusionary parties to restrict them to people who have already proven the ability to farm.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I see no where in your list of things you like to do "farm raid content with pugs". Which is the entire premise for making exclusionary parties to restrict them to people who have already proven the ability to farm.

I should note, generally I don't farm. No real reason. I just don't. I did T5 once and that was because I REALLY wanted that bow. And I got it. Beyond that, I don't actively do it myself, but I'm not above helping someone out. And while yes, it's safe to assume anyone in a farm party has a clear, if they by chance don't, it's not a dealbreaker. The issue is, due to your bad experience you mentioned once, you assume hasn't cleared = isn't capable of clearing = can't farm. Should they try? Perhaps not. Is it impossible? I've proven otherwise, yet that seems not to register, again because to you bonus message = hasn't cleared (true) = can't clear (not necessarily true) = can't farm (unable to be proven based on previous criteria). And I'm not the only one who's noted this. Where perhaps are we not understanding each other?

A driven player will find a way to clear. . .Eventually, by networking with other players who did well, I cleared it in a pug. Then I built my own static, with 7 other people who had no clear yet, spent a week training them and then I had a static capable of clearing T5. So no, I don't need your lecture; I've been there before. I never expect more of someone else that I cannot do or have not done myself. . . This is why linkshells exist. And why you want to keep networking with players, and playing with a group to progress together.

Later EDIT: Bingo. NOW we're on the same page. Many of these people are, in a perspective sense, untested. Just because they say they've cleared it, or haven't but know the fight is still something that's ultimately proven in the heat of battle. Farming aside, shutting the door in their faces purely from the bonus message is only counterproductive. I simply choose to give the benefit of doubt. And again, while your criteria is - from a knowledgeable perspective - unnecessarily high, if that's what gets the job done for you, so be it.

What you've acquired from farming truthfully is still not a measure of how skilled you are, and don't take that personally. Some people get the win dead on the ground, or was the reason the party ALMOST wipes and has to fight hard to recover, and just so happens to get their drop. I've got a humble 12 T5 victories, and only the bow and the BLM weapon I can't use (yet) to show for it. Healer boots and BRD gloves from 6. Nothing to show for 7 at all yet. . . None of that speaks of how well I performed in any of those roles. So while I understand that you're highly capable of farming, supported by the criteria you set for your personal parties, it can't rightly be considered relevant to the topic at hand.