Myth Message being used to excluded players

[Snugglebutt]

Putting requirements for a certain type of player in PF parties is not a misuse of the system. Kicking someone out after stating you want a certain criteria and finding out they do not fill it is not misuse of the system. If someone is looking for a healer for PF, would you join as a BRD? Same thing applies to those asking for players with previous clears.

It is not a misuse of the PF system, the PF system is designed to filter groups, the PF system is working as intended and I never once said the PF system was being misused or abused. I said it is a misuse and abuse of the 'soldiery notification' both within the PF system and outside of it, the notification is not working as intended as the soldiery notification was not designed to be used in that way...people are exploiting the lack of foresight by SE when introduced this notification which was a means to help new players but some people turning it instead against new players. The whole thread is about the misuse and abuse of the 'soldiery notification' at the start of raids, trials and dungeons.

[Sapphic]

It is not a misuse of the PF system, the PF system is designed to filter groups and I never once said the PF system was being misused or abused. I said it is a misuse of the 'soldiery notification' both within the PF system and outside of it, the soldiery notification was not designed to be used in that way. The whole thread is about the misuse and abuse of the 'soldiery notification' at the start of raids, trials and dungeons.

Most players do not state they are new, more often than not you only know their is a player new to a duty because of that message. Using the soldiery notification is a necessary evil because those without clears or even no experience of the fight still think they are able to join any PF party they want to, irregardless of the posted requirements to join.

No notification? Players without clears can lie their way into a clear party and potentially waste everyone elses time. Keeping the notification prevents that. IF people didn't lie their way in, it wouldn't be needed. But they do, so it is.

Taking it to the DF, if a bonus sold pops up I know someone is new and can explain strats, if no message pops then no one is and can just start the run. Without that message I wouldn't know as in most cases hardly anyone states it is their first time.

[Snugglebutt]

Most players do not state they are new, more often than not you only know their is a player new to a duty because of that message. Using the soldiery notification is a necessary evil because those without clears or even no experience of the fight still think they are able to join any PF party they want to, irregardless of the posted requirements to join.

No notification? Players without clears can lie their way into a clear party and potentially waste everyone elses time. Keeping the notification prevents that. IF people didn't lie their way in, it wouldn't be needed. But they do, so it is.

Necessary evil? What a load of bullshit, the is no way in hell that it is 'necessary' in any sense of that word. You are no worse off without it as you was before that pop up notification was introduced and people started misusing it. It is not needed at all, whether someone is new, someone has clears or someone has the link for achievement or item they all often can cause wipes and fails regardless of which category they fall into. Just like before if they fail you have the ability to kick someone hence why people say kill/fail=kick in PF. You have given no good reason as to why it should remain as it is and continue being abused and misused. You also continue just like every narrow minded and naive person who focuses only on the PF aspect to take into account that is just one reason out of many as to why it should be removed.

Taking it to the DF, if a bonus sold pops up I know someone is new and can explain strats, if no message pops then no one is and can just start the run. Without that message I wouldn't know as in most cases hardly anyone states it is their first time.

It would not have a negative effect if was removed and your really grasping for straws using that excuse. People can and do often tell someone they are new and when they don't if they die or do something wrong you advise them how to do it right just like people have always done. Only with it gone you will not have people fishing for soldiery bonus only runs and you will not have it being used as an excuse to ditch and abandon groups so those people can continue fishing. Losing that heads up notification at start of a run which people are using to decide whether they want to continue trying to run it normally or whether they ditch and fish for another would merely stop the abuse of it which hurts everyone else in the group who are actually there for the right reason which is progression or trying to get a clear.

[Sapphic]

People can and do often tell someone they are new and when they don't if they die or do something wrong you advise them how to do it right just like people have always done.

If you read the OP again, it is about players kicking those who cause the bonus to pop up at the start, then it sidetracked to another that puts up clear only parties in the PF and rightfully kicking those who lied when they entered the party when the bonus message pops up.

Having the message pop up is one deterrent to players joining clear parties without fitting the PF creators requirements, aka lieing.

I only used the PF at the beginning, I do things in FC instead due to the number of players joining "clear parties" that had zero clue what they were doing. I remember one that before the message was shown, created a clear party for Titan HM, I was going for my 4th or 5th relic on PLD. 3-4 tries, one player kept dieing to the first WotL. so we abandoned, I asked if the SCH knew the fight, response I got was "No, I was hoping you would teach me". Didnt ask before joining, didn't say anything while queing, and only stated that after being asked after abandoning the duty. All he gained from that was being kicked and blacklisted for lieing.

I would never join a farm party if I hadn't succesfully cleared it enough to call it on farm status.

You accuse me of grasping at straws when you change the OPs post from new players being kicked to other players fishing for it! Something I have never seen.