DRG has been broken for far too long. Fix it SE

[Empressia]

t13 DRG

I'm more interested in :1) Did Terra Flare 1 shot ur drg?, 2) Whats the dps of ur drg in t13 and lastly 3) how much DPS gap between ur DRG and ur static's MNK/NIN?

[Ronzeru]

In FFXIV, DRGs are the most elite knights of the Holy See which were specially trained to fight dragons. They're even more elite than the Temple Knights which are basically the hand of the Archbishop. If you play the game and follow everything related to Ishgard in the Main Story, you understand that dragons are the very mortal enemies of the Ishgardians and be"friending" dragons is an unforgivable sin (Look up Shiva and the Heretics) and for some reason, makes you "crazy". So making the Job having a dragon companion would be shitting all over the DRG lore which, IMO has the best lore in this game next to SMN. Their armor "look" dragonic because it is forged with the blood / life-force of dragons - basically putting the "facing fire with fire" kind of idea.



From what I've read I do think that they're being serious. Seriously IMHO people who suggested that DRGs need a pet are people who never even DRG at all.

You're also leaving out the party that due to this last patch..... and being told that we pretty much aren't being told the 'entire story' behind dragon/mortal relations..... Not knowing what started the war between them to begin with... and to top it off, the fact that Ishgard is the cliche religious type Kingdom who calls everyone and their dog a heritic in JRPGs that never tell the whole side of a story.... can you honestly without a doubt, say that the entire 'dragons are bad, we are their mortal enemies' is something thats meant to be set fully in stone? The cliche of this set up in japanese games/anime/manga is so obvious in the direction it's going its laughable.

[kyrios91]

You're also leaving out the party that due to this last patch..... and being told that we pretty much aren't being told the 'entire story' behind dragon/mortal relations..... Not knowing what started the war between them to begin with... and to top it off, the fact that Ishgard is the cliche religious type Kingdom who calls everyone and their dog a heritic in JRPGs that never tell the whole side of a story.... can you honestly without a doubt, say that the entire 'dragons are bad, we are their mortal enemies' is something thats meant to be set fully in stone? The cliche of this set up in japanese games/anime/manga is so obvious in the direction it's going its laughable.

Dragons aren't bad? Okay:
- They're the first to attack the Ishgardians ages ago, thus they were the one who started the conflict. Even the Dragoon order wasn't established until a squire of a fallen knight took his fallen master's spear and thrusted it to Nidhogg's eye, forcing the dragons to retreat. The eye eventually became the power source for the Dragoons and that squire became the very first Dragoon ever in history.
- Do you even play this game bruh? Twintania, Stone Vigil, the dragons in Coerthas, Svara, Bahamut - all dragons are bent on destruction. When at the point of the game where we met a "friendly" dragon? From most of the Ishgard quests explained to us, many of the NPCs bear grudge to dragons because their relentless and merciless attacks made them lost their family / loved ones. Even IF there were some "good" dragons, that to Ishgardians is like bringing Nazis to a Jewish Bar Mitzvah and say to the Jews "It's okay guys even tho these people are Nazis, they're good Nazis! I've known them for quite a while yeah they're chill don't worry!"
- All the ones supporting the sides of the dragons, the Heretics, based on their text bubbles and actions, are crazy / acting as if they were being tempered. That includes Nael Deus Darnus and Louisouix.
- In the Heavensward trailer, Ishgard got rekt by dragons thus forcing our hero to abandon the WAR class to suit-up Batman style into the almighty AF2 DRG with all the DRG homies already waiting there ready to thrust a Gae Bolg right up into the dragons' ass.

Yeah so dragons being "Evil" is not because the church of Ishgard's "propaganda" - dragons in this game are violent / evil. The cliche here is too obvious in the direction it's going it's laughable.

[kyrios91]

I'm more interested in :1) Did Terra Flare 1 shot ur drg?, 2) Whats the dps of ur drg in t13 and lastly 3) how much DPS gap between ur DRG and ur static's MNK/NIN?

Don't you use Tank LB3 for TeraFlare??

[LordMaitreya]

Dragons aren't bad? Okay:
- They're the first to attack the Ishgardians ages ago, thus they were the one who started the conflict. Even the Dragoon order wasn't established until a squire of a fallen knight took his fallen master's spear and thrusted it to Nidhogg's eye, forcing the dragons to retreat. The eye eventually became the power source for the Dragoons and that squire became the very first Dragoon ever in history.
- Do you even play this game bruh? Twintania, Stone Vigil, the dragons in Coerthas, Svara, Bahamut - all dragons are bent on destruction. When at the point of the game where we met a "friendly" dragon? From most of the Ishgard quests explained to us, many of the NPCs bear grudge to dragons because their relentless and merciless attacks made them lost their family / loved ones. Even IF there were some "good" dragons, that to Ishgardians is like bringing Nazis to a Jewish Bar Mitzvah and say to the Jews "It's okay guys even tho these people are Nazis, they're good Nazis! I've known them for quite a while yeah they're chill don't worry!"
- All the ones supporting the sides of the dragons, the Heretics, based on their text bubbles and actions, are crazy / acting as if they were being tempered. That includes Nael Deus Darnus and Louisouix.
- In the Heavensward trailer, Ishgard got rekt by dragons thus forcing our hero to abandon the WAR class to suit-up Batman style into the almighty AF2 DRG with all the DRG homies already waiting there ready to thrust a Gae Bolg right up into the dragons' ass.

Yeah so dragons being "Evil" is not because the church of Ishgard's "propaganda" - dragons in this game are violent / evil. The cliche here is too obvious in the direction it's going it's laughable.

They don't play this game.

[Roris]

A couple of small Final Coil spoilers but it's been almost 4 weeks anyway.

The current Dravanian dragons are pretty violent even if somewhat justified in their actions, but I don't think they've stated how violent or warmongering the dragons from past eras were. We know the Meracydian dragons got completely taken over and enslaved by the Allagan empire, including their last resort against them, and that the Allagans were the first to strike.

The Allagans' conquest was almost entirely motivated and orchestrated by the Void/Cloud of Darkness/LOLASCIANS. We know Ascians were around back in the 3rd era because Lahabrea remarks how it's been aeons since he last saw Bahamut during Cartenau. We also know the current Ishgard archbishop is in one way or another in cahoots with Elidibus, the current Ascian leader, and Ascians might as well be the ones who instigated them to go to war with the dragons 1000 years ago. I can't recall if they've stated which group was the first to start the Dravanian-Ishgard conflict though.

One reason for Ascians escalating conflict between dragons and men could be because Elidibus and Zodiark/Ophiuchus/Serpentarius are linked with the 13th Zodiac sign of the Serpent, and I guess there can only be one big bad giant scaly reptilian master race in Hydaelyn. So really the biggest cliche is Organization XIII, I mean Ascians did everything.

[Huntakinte]

http://youtu.be/vCWiKMD6XfQ

[Kaze3434]

http://youtu.be/vCWiKMD6XfQ

5-10 minute topic to say what they could do. 20 minutes to blab about nothing. no.

[Alkimi]

How I'd personally fix dragoon:

- Increase the Magic Defence on all LNC/DRG gear to be the same as casters/healers or at least equal to other melee.
- Get rid of Power Surge (it's an annoying ability anyway), buff jumps to compensate, and replace it with an ability that decreases magic damage taken for nearby party members. "Dragonsward" or something.
- Change the penalty for performing Heavy Thrust and Impulse Drive on the "incorrect side" to a potency decrease.
- Add an additional effect to Dragonfire Dive which increases the duration of all DoTs casted by the party by 15 seconds.
- Slight increase in potency to Vorpal Thrust and Disembowel.

Also jumps are busted in final coil. DRGs will often take damage from "floor AoEs" such as Barofield on T11 or T10s electric field if they're unlucky with the server tick timing.

[Thistledown]

snip.

DUDE, spoiler alert, GARRR!!!!