Locked out of the Duty Finder.

[Zirael_Foxfire]

Conversely, you've oversimplified it. The impact of a party withdrawal is multiplied by its party members. If you only punish the one person who withdraws, it creates a way for an individual to bypass the restriction by allowing others to take the hit for them. And that party failure still means <x> less people in the queue, despite it maybe being only one withdrawal. So, when you queue as a party, the punishment has to have some collective impact. Maybe this implementation isn't perfect and there's a middle-ground approach, but just applying the penalty to the one person alone doesn't solve it either.

Collective punishment for error of one person? They tried that during second world war. If 6 people click [Yes] and one person is in the toilet, why do developers punish the people who were ready? Especially if the wait time is long. Do developers intend to bring back the 'puking Pandy' situation into the game?

[Starvald]

The amount of whine in this thread is really amazing. So what if you get locked out for 30 minutes from using the DF? If you were able to reject the queue three times in a row I doubt that 30 min makes that much of a difference. All your real life emergencies that suddenly spring up on you will most likely occupy you for more than 30 min anyway so don't sprout that poor excuse.
All this whining about "oh but i only have 2 hours a day to play"....if you only have 2 hours you most likely spend the time in queue anyway and not commencing will not be a problem that frequently occurs.

Tough luck if you are a poor innocent soul that got hit by the punishment because some idiot in your party is to stupid to commence. If that happens three times in a row I would seriously start questioning why you are pairing up with such people.....and for all other purposes there is that nice tool called ready check....use it. yeah it sucks if you are innocent and are locked out from DF (for only a freaking 30 minutes)....but so is being paired with a crappy tank in a dungeon....the options that you have though are the same...either you deal with it or you leave the group.

I am amazed by all those hypothetical cases you people come up with of why this is unfair and whatnot...if you have serious bladder issues that makes you run to the toilet every 5 minutes so that you miss every damn queue you ever signed up for....get a bucket or don't queue in the first place. If nature calls your booty back to the toilet and you miss your queue then at least the next queue should be a safe bet unless you peed 6 liters and are in serious need of rehydration.

Seriously though, if all day long you are fine and then suddenly, every day, during those 2 hours of playtime you are hit with explosive diarrhea, incredible thirst, family emergency cause you need to exorcise your little sister, etc, pp....I would start thinking whether you should start up the game in the first place.

[Taliph]

it isn't hypothetical that if you are that one dps that the party shoved back into the queue by withdrawing, you will be forced to wait as you will be back at the end of the queue.

[Marisela]

I just want to say that I have been playing when patch 2.4 up until now I haven't had a single 30 Minutes effects from this features. If you play your card right you shouldn't have a problem. People have to know that it only effect if your party isn't full. I have the opposite where ST and Dungeon que is much better. I barely get anymore of those Party Member withdraw free Duty where previous patch I get it none stop.

[Skyl1n3]

Was just about to go into a T6 farming party, then I get a red error text and turns out I've been penalized for the past 16 mins.... then I look and I've only not confirmed entry into 1 dungeon... therefore I get kicked from the farm party.... good f**king job.

[Tupsi]

Collective punishment for error of one person? They tried that during second world war.

If you're going to compare this to a devastating world war you have to recall that:

1. There wereplenty of spies and "sleeper cells" in the US before they got involved into the war.
2. It made sense even though it was a drastic step, it made sense to be better safe than sorry.
3. Unless you truly studied it and didn't get only the US version of what happened in WWII, you wouldn't really know the full scope of the war.
4. Don't compare this to a war that killed millions.

Here, it makes sense because you can circumvent the system if only 1 person got a strike. Don't want a withdraw penalty? Join a party! You get 3 strikes. Three. Even the rep says use Ready Check, a tool available for the very specific purpose to see if people are ready or not.

[Starvald]

it isn't hypothetical that if you are that one dps that the party shoved back into the queue by withdrawing, you will be forced to wait as you will be back at the end of the queue.

How is that even related to the problem of withdrawal punishment? You are pushed back in the queue anyway as soon as someone withdraws in your party....punishment or not. Again....ready check can help you with that. I get the feeling people are making up all kinds of weird scenarios that they try to blame on the changes.

[Taliph]

I know my sentence was a bit of a run on, but I am actually for the status quo. The solo queued dps (or tank, healer, tho they are less effected) shouldn't have to double their wait time due to a party queuing before they are actually ready.

[NyarukoW]

In the current system it is more beneficial to accept the duty and either leave, ask party to kick you or go afk for 10min for the system to automatically log you off dungeon. ...

This is utter garbage. People trolling dungeons will be reported to GM as trolls. If you are DPS that just go in and leaves, you take the 30 min penalty and rightly so, and if you go afk, offline, etc. you will vote kicked properly and replaced very quickly. No one is stuck waiting. Healers and tanks get near instant queues all the time. They do not get to abuse the system fishing on the DF for god knows what. When they are in, if they want to be a troll and not heal or tank, they get to talk to the GM. Being a healer and sometimes a tank myself, I like that when I click commence it is go and not have to beat the withdraw boss first.

Bottomline, people against the penalty and/or against the collective penalty are the people that take others for granted and expect others to wait for them. But it really should be common courtesy that you be on the ball and be ready to go and not make others wait, and definitely not abuse the DF for fishing expeditions.

[Souljacker]

Bottomline, people against the penalty and/or against the collective penalty are the people that take others for granted and expect others to wait for them.

Again, patently FALSE. I am against *this* penalty because it's a rock foolish way to fix the queue fishing problem, not because I want people to be able to troll other players and ruin their experience.

This attitude really needs to stop. You are willfully ignoring every single legitimate point that has been made by MULTIPLE people in this thread.