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[Snugglebutt]

Only slightly related, but how do you know how many times someone has cleared something? Is this info viewable on Lodestone? Would be interested to see how many times I've personally killed various things (only started in 2.3 so "not many" is the answer, haha)

Just curious, I thought it only showed first kill date on there is all

You get an achievement from T5 first clear and fifth. You cannot tell how many clears they have done but you can check if the person has the achievement for first clear of T5, fifth clear of T5 and tenth clear of T5. There is no achievement for example for anything after the tenth clear so they could of done it a hundred times but only has the achievement can check up to tenth. The same applies to first set of coils, second set of coils and final set of coils. You can see what achievements someone has here by putting in the name of the character etc then clicking on the achievements tab in their profile for that character. It does not mean you can view everyone's achievements however as people can hide/refuse permission to allow others to access that information like Ellatrix does on her characters profile for example.

[Snugglebutt]

Avoiding what? I'm not wrong. You are since you have literally not done any content that requires spending more than 30 minutes to learn.

Yes what you said previously in this thread of which I spoke about has been proven wrong many times in many aspects within this thread, being in denial does not change this. I think it is about time you grow up and start taking responsibility for the things you say and do. When your wrong about something, have the humility to admit it and move on instead of deflecting criticism, moving the goal posts, changing the subject or changing the context in the hopes that you can dig your way out of the hole you created for yourself. I do not think you are stupid so it must be down to arrogance or ego as to why you keep doing so.

I see however instead of doing that your making yet another ignorant statement trying to associate my partial raid experience (which is by far plenty enough to discuss the topic in an educated and informed manner), implying because I have not cleared as much raid content as you that I have no right to talk about it. Just like someone saying if you haven't even cleared T13 how dare you comment on coils in general. I sometimes wonder if you even think before you speak/type...I have more than enough experience to talk about and discuss the pitfalls and benefits of what this topic is about and everything I have referred to in your comments whether that is about forming PF groups or clearing content from raids, trials and dungeons. I have more than enough experience and common sense to counter the fallacies you spout.

Your inaccurate and often proven wrong statements in here however have come from both people who have partial raid experience and those who have probably as much as yourself. You lack common sense and also fail to take into account I got my current EX clears and raid clears in the space of around two weeks taking it very casually and sparsely due to RL work commitments.

Just because I have not yet bothered to even form a group for trying to do for example T9 does not mean I am incapable of doing it when I choose to get around to trying so it does not indicate in any way whatsoever my competence for doing them when I choose to try in the future. Achievements in profiles also do not tell you how many attempts it took to clear that content and as such is not related to competence of a person or their ability to handle the content. Taking into account all of this does also not change the fact I have used PF and DF more than enough times to be educated on the pros and cons of each plus explaining the pitfalls and problems with the soldiery notification at start of a trial, dungeon or raid run which is abused or misused in more areas of the game than just PF listings.

None of this changes that once again you refused to deal with the inaccuracy pointed out to you in a previous comment, you again decided to change the subject in an effort to deflect from accepting your previous comments were wrong and factually inaccurate. If anyone ever disagrees with you they will quickly see you will never admit you are wrong about anything even when proven wrong by many people, you will always deflect criticism by changing the subject or changing the context all in an effort to avoid admitting your mistakes just like you have done this time again.

Your like the puppet in Punch and Judy, when everyone is telling you he's behind you...you refuse to believe them or accept that yes, he is in fact behind you. When you finally turn around and see you are wrong though your reaction instead of saying "oh, so he is behind me..." your response is more akin to yelling at the crowd things like "well...erm...he is not the same guy I was referring to or talking about!" or "well you people in the audience are not puppets, how dare you speak to me until you become a puppet too!". Everyone can clearly see your just moving the goal posts or deflecting because cannot bare to be wrong about anything. The fact is in this hypothetical scenario the guy was behind you, the audience was right and they were right regardless of not being actual puppets too and the same applies to a lot of your comments in here where people having pointed out the errors in your stance or mistakes in your statements.

[Kinseykinz]

You're kind of in a bubble and I wonder the skill level of the players you play with. You've done T5 <4 times. You've only set foot in first coil in the last month, and you haven't even touched second coil. You haven't cleared TitanX, IfritX, MogX, RamuhX, or ShivaX.

Why are you trying to somehow speak of content in which you flat out have zero experience in? I guess I see why you're now trying to argue so hard that people without clears should be let in farm parties...

First off, you again are missing the forest for the trees. Just because someone has yet to clear T9, doesn't automatically make them a 'bad' player. It ONLY makes them 'someone who hasn't cleared T9' Nothing more, nothing less.

But let me use my own personal 2.0 history for you, to give an example of the type of people you continue to harass in this debate.

At launch, I was in the 'top' static of my FC. So by October of that patch, we had T1-4 on farm (including doing T2's actual 'rot' method), and were poised to work on T5. One of our static mates found out he had cancer, and we all decided, to wait to challenge T5 until he was well enough to work at it. Other static's simply would have said 'Sorry to hear that dude', found a replacement and continued on, we did not. But, this meant, we didn't even try T5 again until January. Meaning, we had access for MONTHS, and never set foot inside, just kept farming T1-4 each week. Also, because we were the 'top' team of the FC, we were the team that typically beat all the EX primals First, and then taught other people in the FC the battles. So we cleared, Garuda,Titan, and Iffy EX....and then purposefully took new folk in instead of farming stuff for ourselves and not assisting FC mates.

Still, around late Jan, I left this FC due to internal reasons. I then joined a newer FC, with members that had just recently started playing. Over the next several months, I helped them all 'catch up' to me. This meant teaching them, and patiently sitting through many, many wipes as they learned all the 'old' content on their way to unlocking the current content I was sitting poised to do. Sure, I also occasionally worked on my own progression outside the FC with other groups of Friends, but for the most part, I dedicated most of my 'endgame' time towards assisting my FC mates. They now, are up to T6, and Ramuh EX content wise, which is pretty good considering most of them play pretty casually, and only started after Christmas.

But now, I'm pregnant. I cannot commit to an endgame 'raid static' because over the past couple months, I needed to go throw up a lot (thanks minion). But by early spring, I'm going to likely need to take an extended break from the game...or bare min., simply cannot commit to playing on a specific time schedule as it would not be fair to my raid group to be like 'yo sorry we're at 20% on this boss, but my baby really needs to be fed right now' And/or just the sporatic 10-20ish minute breaks I would need to potentially take to attend to said minion. Sure, there are people in game who don't consider others time and work...but I am not one of those. Therefore, for the next year, unless I feel compelled to join a Party Finder party (which I seldom do), or unless someone in my FC invites me to the battle, I likely will be sitting on the sidelines for most of the 'endgame' content. Which is okay. But my personal playing skill did not diminish.

Case in point, last night was the first night I tried T7, and no, we did not win. But over all the wipes that happened, only 1 was partially my fault, and even that was more on the kiter than me. (I missed cursing one of the Ranalds b/c he was too far out from the pile and he woke up/1-shot me and then the other healer=no healers=wipe). The rest of them were other party members not kiting right, or stoning eachother/the party what have you. But really, nothing I could do about that. Basically, meaning, I have no doubts that I could join a 'clear' party and win.....likely even a farm party if I wanted to be especially brave. (But again, I don't typically use PF, so just like last night, I'll wait until someone asks 'KK mind healing T7?' and do it then). But just because I'm in no rush, and just because I haven't put a priority into this content, doesn't mean I'm automatically a horrible player.

Only if I personally know the player. Also as I do a majority of T9 sales on the server, I know who the buyers are - and they don't join my farm parties anyway.

I really don't understand why people with little to no raid experience are trying to debate criteria for making an effective party, when this isn't an activity that they partake in.



Avoiding what? I'm not wrong. You are since you have literally not done any content that requires spending more than 30 minutes to learn.

And therein lies your REAL problem. You do not want people to be capable of winning their first runs via PF...or even DF, because you would prefer to prey upon them and make gil. You do realize most people would rather never beat the content than pay the likes of you to 'assist' them with it. You are simply trying to protect your earnings, and the only way you feel you can do that is to exclude every single soul on your server who hasn't already cleared the content in established groups. Most people joining, learning,clear, and farm parties via the PF however are doing it b/c they don't have established static's (for whatever reason). They don't want to waste your time...and they are hoping the group doesn't waste theirs. They want to earn their wins, not 'buy' them (after all, if they wanted to buy it, you already offer the service).

So yes, you are perfectly within your right to say 'no 100tome bonus' or 'must possess a High Allagan weapon', but by so doing, you are keeping a pretty large percentage of the talent pool out of your parties/groups. Furthermore, most people who meet your requirements, aren't actually in need of a 'farming' party anymore anyway. Still, I have been in plenty of runs where the 100-tome person isn't the one wiping the group...the person with the High Allagan actually is. (lovely ST fun). And yes, I've seen High Allagan sporting party members still fall off Titan HM's platform in a duty roulette. But if gear=skill, and 1 clear=skill to you, nothing anyone here can say will ever change it. Personally, I think that my ability to heal, and pull through hard content with a rag-tag, under geared, still trying to get their first clears team, and us all being successful, proves I might actually heal better than those garbed in High-allagan who only play with equally experienced team mates, and who never have to scramble and cover for party member mistakes, but hey, your party, your rules. If you want to insist folk like me 'suck', feel free. You just keep making yourself look bad.

[Ellatrix]

I'm the first to admit when I make a mistake.

However, I'm not wrong here. Saying having experience clearing content is in no way related to your ability to clear it is a straight up logical fallacy (you like that word a lot, don't you?).

Just because I have not yet bothered to even form a group for trying to do for example T9 does not mean I am incapable of doing it when I choose to get around to trying so it does not indicate in any way whatsoever my competence for doing them when I choose to try in the future

Here's a challenge for you since you seem to think it's so easy and that watching a video is an adequate form of experience:

Clear T9 before the echo maintenance next week, in a group where everyone will get first clear achievement. If you manage to do that, I'll be impressed.

[Snugglebutt]

I'm the first to admit when I make a mistake.

However, I'm not wrong here. Saying having experience clearing content is in no way related to your ability to clear it is a straight up logical fallacy (you like that word a lot, don't you?).



Here's a challenge for you since you seem to think it's so easy and that watching a video is an adequate form of experience:

Clear T9 before the echo maintenance next week, in a group where everyone will get first clear achievement. If you manage to do that, I'll be impressed.

What I actually said was just because you have a clear under your name does not mean it proves that person has the ability themselves to clear something and I gave examples of why this is such as buying a clear, being carried, even being dead the entire run while everyone else in the group cleared it for you. The context being clears are not limited to your performance within a run or your own ability to kill the boss, it is related to the groups performance (fact). I also previously said reading a guide and/or watching a video tutorial is a valid form of experience and I also never once said T9 was easy either. All three things you have tried to misrepresent in your latest comment.

What your doing here is trying to mislead, another form of deflection. Just like on page six, second comment from the top if anyone wants to go back and look up the context on what I am talking about in which you tried to misdirect and alter the outcome of a previous discussion via clearly shown ignorance and bias of your reply when taken in the context of what was being discussed, you are doing the same here again. Misrepresenting and once again trying to change the context of another persons response in order to discredit them and to avoid taking responsibility for the mistakes and errors you have made.

On your challenge comment, I am sure my boss will love me ringing him up and telling him forget the tight deadline I am currently on...Sorry boss I have to log into the game and clear some content to gain the respect of someone who has been spouting nonsense for days on a video game forum thread. I will be lucky to find time to even log in this weekend or even the coming week until my RL work is done (you know the thing which pays the bills). If by some luck I manage to find time to actually play, I (may) try to clear T9 if I feel like it but I personally would rather do 6 then 7, followed by 8 before 9.

I sure as hell won't do something to impress you, a person who's arrogance and ignorance has left me with no respect for them and by proxy no interest in earning theirs. If I find time and if I choose to do it then so be it but make no mistake I have no desire to do something just because some arrogant, elitist ignoramus on a forum tells me to do so. Get over yourself already, as much as you love to think the world revolves around you, it in fact does not. How about flip the coin and say here is a challenge for you...how about you stop posting in this thread and stop hiding/denying and running away from the fact you were proven wrong over and over again using your tactics of misrepresentation, changing the subject or changing the context to suit your needs. No? Not even if it would impress me? /sarcasm

I think at this stage I am going to do what I thought would be a good idea previously and that is ignore the stupid and ignorant things you continue to say in here. Just like Kinseykinz said above, carry on if you want as your just making yourself look more and more bad the more nonsense you type. I would rather spend my time talking to the non-arrogant and non-ignorant people on these forums than waste anymore time talking to you with your extreme lack of common sense and childish but obvious attempts at manipulating discussion to avoid taking responsibility for the things you say by your use of the sort of methods I mentioned in the previous paragraph. Everyone with a shred of intelligence can see you keep misrepresenting the things I have said, taking things out of context on purpose and claiming I am saying things that I clearly did not.

[Ellatrix]

You're again trying to say people who haven't cleared or attempted an encounter are just as good and capable as those who already have mastered the mechanics and have downed it numerous times.

Don't skip out on the Logic class in college, it's very useful, but you may struggle a great deal with it. But hey, just watch a video and you'll do just as well as those who already aced the class!

[Empressia]

A : hey dude, u saw that X vs Y match for the heavy weight boxing worldchampionship on tv yesterday?
B : yea i watched it, its like a piece of cake watching X beating Y to a pulp!
A : woot, u mean u can do it like beating that Y guy if u happen to cross him on the road and pick a fight with him?
B : yeah sure, i've enough experience gained from watching the show! just watch me!

Anyway t13 peep, rule no 1 to open a "mutual understanding discussion" is to check the other speaker if they got DW or just full Sol/weathered sol/no t9 HA

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

A : hey dude, u saw that X vs Y match for the heavy weight boxing worldchampionship on tv yesterday?
B : yea i watched it, its like a piece of cake watching X beating Y to a pulp!
A : woot, u mean u can do it like beating that Y guy if u happen to cross him on the road and pick a fight with him?
B : yeah sure, i've enough experience gained from watching the show! just watch me!

Anyway t13 peep, rule no 1 to open a "mutual understanding discussion" is to check the other speaker if they got DW or just full Sol/weathered sol/no t9 HA

Because it's TOTALLY the same as watching a fight against an opponent that was programmed to do what it does. While I agree that watching a video is not adequate preparation, this analogy leaves a lot to be desired.

[Sapphic]

Cast Med. and Cast. Prat need a I50 Cap put on those 2 dungeon to prevent SR this should get rid of most of the bad behavior on those runs. And I have actually booted players for harassing other new player who have not finished it yet.

All that would do is stop players queing up for main scenario roulette.

So good luck waiting hours and hours to progress the main 2.0 story.

[Sapphic]

Having the weapon does not prove multiple clears...

Their party, their rules. You don't like the rules? Don't join the party, and don't demand that they change their rules for you. They can set the rules to whatever they want, as strict as they want or even as silly as they want, It is their choice and they are using PF for what it was designed for!

Party Finder was implemented to help you find players to fit your requirements.

No party in PF that fits your personal requirements? Make your own instead of complaining that others who are, are asking for other requirements.