When is it OK to say, "It's Not OK"

[Ophie-Mio]

The RMT and clear sellers are probably in cahoots, but of course if they are smart they will have some sort of gil laundering scheme so they do NOT get their important accounts banned, and it makes it all the harder to any of us to really make the proof stick. But if SE datamines their data they just might find them, and the clear sellers may even be blind to the RMT, but the RMT can easily make use of the clear sellers for their own benefit without them being any wiser.

...I...am just baffled at the amount of conspiracy theory here. Just baffled. It would be hilarious if I knew you were joking.

RMT and clear sellers are not in cahoots. RMT usually are individuals or actual businesses that do the same thing. They pump the game of gil. Clear sellers are raid groups that want to make gil.

Hell, my group last night just sold a run to someone needing Twintania. We saw them complaining about it and offered it and he took it. All for the wonderful price of 5 gil. (We were bored). We are not RMT and we are not in cahoots with them. You're just talking cray.

There are many things that can be sold in game and in real life. Just because people are willing to pay, does NOT make it acceptable. Only those who are ethically challenged thinks it is OK without consider the subject matter. Clears should be obtained fair and square by persistence, patience, and learning by the player for themselves.

Don't tell people how to enjoy their game time. I don't buy clears but if someone wants to do it then they can. Whatever they want to do is their right when they pay a monthly fee. I'm sorry but get off the high horse that you seem to love in these forums.

[NyarukoW]

...I...am just baffled at the amount of conspiracy theory here. ..

There is no conspiracy theory required. Fact is both clear sellers and RMT sellers are spamming you more than often enough to fill up your blacklist. You would have to be deliberately blind to not see how gil can be converted to real money and how that can be major motivating factor. There is old chinese saying, "all kinds of business exist, including those that may cause heads to roll, but there will never be one that loses money for very long"

.Don't tell people how to enjoy their game time. ... I'm sorry but get off the high horse that you seem to love in these forums.

Buy clears is not enjoying the game, it is bypassing it. Enjoying the game means enjoying wiping with friends, learning to solve the puzzle together, building friendships, etc. etc. And that high horse? I do NOT what you are talking about. I don't ride horses, and we have the right to protest clear sellers for their unethical and unhelpful behavior. If they got the time to sit on the PF and sell clears, they got time to go help a learning party.

[Ophie-Mio]

There is no conspiracy theory required. Fact is both clear sellers and RMT sellers are spamming you more than often enough to fill up your blacklist.

You said that they were in cahoots. If you're saying that they are based on how much they spam you, then FCs are in cahoots too. All of these things fill up my chat window and my blacklist.

Buy clears is not enjoying the game, it is bypassing it. Enjoying the game means enjoying wiping with friends, learning to solve the puzzle together, building friendships, etc. etc.

Once again, you're telling people how to enjoy their time and their game. Seems a bit preachy to me.

And that high horse? I do NOT what you are talking about. I don't ride horses, and we have the right to protest clear sellers for their unethical and unhelpful behavior. If they got the time to sit on the PF and sell clears, they got time to go help a learning party.

No, once again, preachy. You have the right to protest it but we have the right to tell you to get off the soap box too. And seriously, selling clears helps the people who want to buy them. They're willing and people who wanna sell it are willing. Win/Win. If you don't wanna buy your run, don't buy one. It's that simple. No need for all this preaching.

[Kazumac]

Buy clears is not enjoying the game, it is bypassing it. Enjoying the game means enjoying wiping with friends, learning to solve the puzzle together, building friendships, etc. etc.

I think we can all agree NyarukoW knows what's best for all of us and what we enjoy and desire in a game. Can you tell me more on how to live my life oh psychic one? What if I just want to craft all by my lonesome? Have I missed the point if the game despite it bringing me great joy to fill the marketplace full of goods with my name on it? Should I tell my FC member who loves taking in the scenery and fishing that he's not enjoying the game... Others having a high horse... Look in the mirror.

(Shoot I'm feeding the troll! But it's so fun watching them eat! Lol)

[NyarukoW]

...What if I just want to craft all by my lonesome? ..

No one said you can't do what you want when you are not hurting others. Go craft if it floats your boat.

... Seems a bit preachy to me. .. No need for all this preaching. ....

So what? No one tells you to listen to that preacher on campus who is always there at lunch time either. I like that they are putting in an earnest effort to help everyone. I do NOT go up to tell them to shut up even if I don't agree with them all the time.

... we have the right to tell you to get off the soap box too....

If no want to listen the do NOT have to. But obviously something about this simple message for players coming together and playing together helping each other is so threatening that you'd actually want to take away my right of free speech (a.k.a no soap box)? Seriously?

[Kazumac]

No one said you can't do what you want when you are not hurting others. Go craft if it floats your boat.

Assuming I play the game for enjoyment, you did:

Enjoying the game means enjoying wiping with friends, learning to solve the puzzle together, building friendships, etc. etc.

Meaning if I play for enjoyment I must follow your view. And therefore my example of crafting by my lonesome != enjoyment therefore I shouldn't play the game. Well if I follow the NyarukoW way of life anyways... Thankfully I don't so I enjoy this game very much.