Myth Message being used to excluded players

[Snugglebutt]

Few weeks ago.... you mean when it came out....
Hence most of the good players would get clear achievements too?

The longer time passes the more bads will need it, the less goods....

That's fallacy. Pure and simple. It is the same as if someone claimed all the good players played since version 1.0 of FFXIV and all the bad ones started playing after ARR. The same reason that is a fallacy is the same reason your quoted comment is a fallacy.

[Ellatrix]

That's fallacy. Pure and simple. It is the same as if someone claimed all the good players played since version 1.0 of FFXIV and all the bad ones started playing after ARR. The same reason that is a fallacy is the same reason your quoted comment is a fallacy.

No, it isn't a fallacy. The geared/skilled/experienced players do stuff when it first comes out, leaving the slow behind.

You seem to live in some kind of alternate reality where the ability to clear, for some illogical reason, doesn't depend on your own effort and performance.

[ChameleonMS]

No, it isn't a fallacy. The geared/skilled/experienced players do stuff when it first comes out, leaving the slow behind.

It most definitely can be a fallacy.

You are confusing skilled players with the status of their gear. There are several players that have gotten fully gears on the simple activities like Hunts, Hullbreaker and Snowcloak, then they grinded out a Relic weapon.
There are several skilled players that are "slow" and "behind" simply because they have Real life commitments that prevent them from being able to invest the time needed to achieve you faulty standard of good player.

BTW, congrats on having the time to lvl50 everything in this game (except ninja). I wish I had that kind of time to invest.

[Snugglebutt]

It most definitely can be a fallacy.

You are confusing skilled players with the status of their gear. There are several players that have gotten fully gears on the simple activities like Hunts, Hullbreaker and Snowcloak, then they grinded out a Relic weapon.
There are several skilled players that are "slow" and "behind" simply because they have Real life commitments that prevent them from being able to invest the time needed to achieve you faulty standard of good player.

BTW, congrats on having the time to lvl50 everything in this game (except ninja). I wish I had that kind of time to invest.

Her comment defending the fallacy does not change it from being fallacy or why I said it was fallacy to begin with. People start playing this game at different times, someone who was a paying subscriber before another person does not make that other person more/less skilled or a good/bad player just because reached and cleared the content at an earlier or later date. As such this invalidates the comment the other person used of which I quoted. Her defence of what I said was a fallacy has no merit due to her failure to grasp why I called it such.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

No, it isn't a fallacy. The geared/skilled/experienced players do stuff when it first comes out, leaving the slow behind.

You seem to live in some kind of alternate reality where the ability to clear, for some illogical reason, doesn't depend on your own effort and performance.

Not quite.

For various reasons, it took me plenty of time to clear T5, mainly due to disinterest from FC members, and a huge lack of experience on my server. But I did and it was with a learning party that I had mostly trained up at that point.
Cleared Ramuh Ex not even knowing the fight past the add phase, but still actively playing a part in the fight.
Never cleared Titan Ex, purely for lack of trying. The last 3 times I DID try? Trolling tanks. I know the fight, just bad luck on a party. Three times.
Never even unlocked Ifrit Ex.
Levi Ex - 3/4 DPS, 1 healer new.
Cleared Mog Ex - Everyone new. Same with T6.


Oh, and I was technically undergeared for every one of those.

Your argument has been disproven several times over here, and far be it for me to say it but the attitude in your words gives it away. Call it like it is: the bonus message means NOTHING about a player's skill, much like you can say good gear doesn't equal skill. Because IF that were true, with everyone's current ilvls (assuming a bottom line of i100), no one should be failing ANY old content at all.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Not quite.

For various reasons, it took me plenty of time to clear T5, mainly due to disinterest from FC members, and a huge lack of experience on my server. But I did and it was with a learning party that I had mostly trained up at that point.
Levi Ex - 3/4 DPS, 1 healer new.
Cleared Mog Ex - Everyone new. Same with T6.


Oh, and I was technically undergeared for every one of those. EDIT NOTE: I was i103. I don't even have a relic. Weathered Rosenbogen up til T7

Yes, experience matters, but not nearly as much as you make it out to be. And the whole "i110/HA Weapon" thing, I understand, is simply your personal criteria. But clearly, I've proven it's just as possible without such extremes.

[Kinseykinz]

No, it isn't a fallacy. The geared/skilled/experienced players do stuff when it first comes out, leaving the slow behind.

You seem to live in some kind of alternate reality where the ability to clear, for some illogical reason, doesn't depend on your own effort and performance.

Oh get over yourselves...players can be behind the curve and still be good, here's how it happens:

1. Maybe they play on a limited schedule. Maybe you play 5 hours a day, and they only play 2. Logic dictates that sooner or later, they would be behind you in content, but it doesn't mean you are more 'skilled'
2. Maybe they spent the first 2-4 weeks of a new patch crafting,gathering and taking advantage of the gil train that ALWAYS happens each patch launch....esp 'Hardcore Endgame' patches, because those in a rush to be 'first' in beating a raid, likely will pay premium prices for new gears and foods.
3. Maybe they were leveling Ninja, and focused on that
4. Maybe they were on vacation, busy with work in RL or had other RL commitments that kept them out of game for a couple months.
5. Maybe they started playing last week. Sure, they still have a lot of catching up to do, but just because you are 'new' doesn't mean you will be 'bad'. Some of the best players on your server might have only started playing this month...heck, in time, they might even be in your statics. Just because they started after you, doesn't mean they are less skilled....just new.
6. Some even choose to pace themselves, only working on content 1-3 times a week so they don't burn out.
And this is just what I came up with in 2 mins of thinking about it.

I have known really good players to take breaks due to cancer, having children, boredom, needing a break, work, wanting to catch up on console games, family vacations, school, moving etc. And in ALL these cases, they fall behind...but their skill, when they return, remains the same. You really need to stop looking down on everyone just because they didn't make clearing the 'top edge' of content the first week it released their personal priority. It's great it drives you, and yes, it requires some skill to stay at the cutting edge....but really, you aren't any more skilled than those who come behind you.

[Brill_]

No, it isn't a fallacy. The geared/skilled/experienced players do stuff when it first comes out, leaving the slow behind.

You can't grasp the concept that not everyone can devote 24/7 to the game. We have real life obligations(like a job and family). Just because one does not clear content on day 1 does not make them a bad player. Just like someone who buys a run doesn't make them a skilled player.

[Ellatrix]

You can't grasp the concept that not everyone can devote 24/7 to the game. We have real life obligations(like a job and family). Just because one does not clear content on day 1 does not make them a bad player. Just like someone who buys a run doesn't make them a skilled player.

Where did I say anything about Day 1 clears? But it is true - the players who want to push the hardest will get it done the fastest, and these tend to be players who can learn and master new stuff faster.

[NorthernLadMSP]

The geared/skilled/experienced players do stuff when it first comes out, leaving the slow behind.

You are completely delusional if you think things are this black and white.