Enhancements to log to support Damage Per Second (DPS) Measuring Tool

[Niwashi]

If a Bard sings Foe Requiem, so the Black Mage is able to get better damage output, should the Bard therefore be kicked for having lower damage than the Black Mage? That's the sort of situation parsers encourage. It disincentivizes making the group better, by placing the focus on being individually better than the rest of your group. Groups that resort to parsers can forget about getting the benefit of any sort of support skills. In fact, they can generally forget about ever being even half-way decent at playing, because their tools are encouraging them to play badly.

If you want to know how your DPS is, just look at how fast the mobs are dying. That's a far more accurate measurement than any number some parser can give you.


As for just adding more detail to the log, I don't think making it work better with parsers would be a good reason for it, and I don't see much other reason for it.

[roninoftagrm]

If you want to know how your DPS is, just look at how fast the mobs are dying. That's a far more accurate measurement than any number some parser can give you.


As for just adding more detail to the log, I don't think making it work better with parsers would be a good reason for it, and I don't see much other reason for it.

you sir have it right, if you kill fast then your doing good, if your killing slow you are likely missing and still just following timers for the combos

[Viridiana]

you sir have it right, if you kill fast then your doing good, if your killing slow you are likely missing and still just following timers for the combos

To quote you: "no, no, and no." Mobs dying quickly only means that the group's combined dps is good. It's entirely possible to have good group dps while one of the players is doing horrible. Mobs dying slowly can also mean any number of things depending on mechanics. Or, yes, it can mean that your DD are bad and need improvements, but what the heck does "missing and still just following timers for the combos" even mean to a BRD or BLM? You're going to want to be able to tell the guy who isn't doing well what he's doing wrong, and you're gonna need more info than "mobs are dying slow whenever you're around."

[roninoftagrm]

even so its meant to be a group effort. If you see for the first time someone using skills in an aion weave fashion, then sure kick em from group, because they think they'll steal the aggro(dps), want to use less tp(less experienced tank), or using macro combos which even i wouldnt use in the higher difficulty runs.

One problem from reading the forums is that i dont see a min/max time to beat/burn/destroy x add/boss/mechanic before wipe/danger zone, which would include links to each rotation reborn thread, presumed dps over x time, and combined dps for each and every part of a boss fight(across say all dps combinations possible), its just "do the guides and done" mentally

and a blm could screw up, its called forgetting to transpose when things go bad and dipping when he/she is stuck in AF and needs mp(it can happen)